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and good afternoon from philadelphia

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frank here with another

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episode of ufo news network sunday

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uh we've got a lot of news to update

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it's been a couple months since we've

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done a full-fledged news show without

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guests

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but uh a lot came down this week a lot

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did happen

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and before we get into it and really go

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through

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excruciating details on all these

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stories

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let me uh let me bring in uh my trusty

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co-host uh the one the only

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uh chant hannah chan how are you today

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i'm doing really well frank you're right

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there's been a lot of really interesting

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trending ufo related news and i wanted

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to hear from you

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well what is the latest hot topic that

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you wanted to bring up

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well let me get to it right away we did

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see

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a really interesting story uh coming

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an organization called the debrief tim

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mcmillan

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is writing for that particular

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organization and they

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broke what was a pretty interesting

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story it's getting a lot of attention

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and some

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in at least one respect for all the

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wrong reasons but

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uh mcmillan did do a real nice job here

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and basically uh what he got

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is this that uh uh in talking to

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multiple senior us officials with direct

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this is a quote from the article two

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classified intelligence reports on uap

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have been widely distributed to the u.s

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intelligence community numerous sources

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from various government agencies told

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the debrief

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that these reports include clear

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photographic evidence of uap

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i'm going to put that aside for now

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because that's where it gets a little

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bit messy

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uh back to the the quote from the

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the reports also explicitly state that

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the task force is considering

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the possibility that these unidentified

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intelligence community

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be operated by intelligences of

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unknown origin so that is a really quite

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in exchange between then vice chief of

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admiral robert burke and current vice

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chief of staff for the air force

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uh general stephen wilson uh in the

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email and now let me uh let me

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in the email uh steve i recommend you

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take the brief i just received from our

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of naval intelligence a vice admiral

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matt kohler on unidentified aerial

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uh secretary of navy we'll get the same

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brief tomorrow at 10 a.m

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so here we've got top officials uh

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a top official with the navy okay we've

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vice chief of staff for the air force uh

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stephen wilson about uaps

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uh so much has come from the navy and

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the air force has been notoriously quiet

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on the issue uh here we have some foia

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brief as well and also mentioning that

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who at that time was richard spencer

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kudos to mcmillan

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for getting all that out and uh

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i mean that that's basically it though

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that these high-ranking officials from

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email and we've got that and then

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a few windows open here so this is

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getting a little bit messy

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uh he gets an on the record quote uh

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from a retired u.s air force brigadier

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uh to do so uh would require a very high

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possibility that an adversary would test

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of the united states to detect some new

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so there you have it those are the key

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that particular story and again

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kudos to mcmillan for getting that out

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surrounding all this as well

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is a report of a

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photograph a clear photograph that

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uh depicts a ufo uh let's see

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let me pick this up here

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the sec navy reference uh one of the

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intelligence reports released in 2018 is

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examiner uh by tom rogan who has been

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all over the story quite nicely

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uh the previously uh unreported uh navy

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uh the photograph uh but uh he also

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uh most uh let's see the 2020 report is

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the most striking shared viray wiley

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were operating off either the uss dwight

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there's the article from tom rogan that

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covered all that obviously you can pick

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as it turned out well we're going to see

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a sort of a rendering provided to the

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he was able to gin this up rather

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and all that following up a couple of

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and uh this is this is where things get

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a little bit more interesting

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apparently it is not the photograph that

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it's not uh uh what uh dave beatty had

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photograph is available

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in lots of different places uh you see

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from inside the cockpit of a jet fighter

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distance and let's

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that there is a

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much closer look at it when

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macmillan did release the photograph he

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individuals that he spoke to

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said it looks to me like a marlar

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balloon and

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in fact isaac coy a friend of ours

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had was actually able to turn up well

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that looks kind of curiously

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like this type of a mylar balloon that

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printed on it but then yeah batman there

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apparently isaac had uh popped this in

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the the uh the photograph that was uh

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know it's a kind of unfortunate none of

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this stuff seems to come out clean for

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whatever reason

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because uh you know i'm i'm initially

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looking at the photo and thinking to

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myself

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well you know i can't say with 100

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certainty

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that that is a mylar balloon it might

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well be

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but i i cannot i can say with a lot more

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certainty

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that uh that's that particular

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photograph is not an e.t

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uh uh not an et spaceship and uh

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hopefully

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uh the the photograph that wowed all

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these uh uh

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top uh uh pentagon officials is not this

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particular photograph that they've got

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something a little bit better than that

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but anyway uh that is the uh that is uh

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the the update uh from over on that

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angle i think it's a

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again very interesting obviously

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it's not my scoop so you know mcmillan

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can do whatever he wants with it

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but i think i might have held off on the

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photograph stuff

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a little bit because all this hubbub

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over the photograph well i guess it's

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getting attention to the subject

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but again yeah i'm really confident

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that's not an ep spaceship

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so i would say that unfortunately

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the headline kind of got buried because

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of this photograph stuff

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that the the fact that you know you've

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got these high-ranking

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pentagon officials uh saying to each

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other hey

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the secretary of the navy is going to

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get this uh ufo brief and i've taken it

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and that he's going to get it

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and uh you should take it too uh over to

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uh high-ranking officials over at the

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air force i mean this

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uh this uh i think uh that's the really

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big deal in the whole thing and of

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course

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also the mention that they are

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considering uh at least it's on the

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table

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that some of these ufos are in fact uh

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uh from uh from another world from

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another intelligence that's uh not uh

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earth-based so

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uh there is that uh that uh that's

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basically

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all we've got on that and hopefully some

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more good news is coming out on that

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and that's about all i've got on that

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great well

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i'd like to bring up a topic if that's

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okay by you regarding

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an interesting article that anthony

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bragley also known as tony braglia who

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is

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a person that you've known for years

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uh he wrote an interesting article

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titled former rock star in rocky ground

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uses ufos to advance his fame and

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fortune it was uh probably published i

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don't know maybe half a week ago

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and i wanted to ask you what your

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opinion was on that if you want to

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bring up any interesting points i do

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because uh obviously i was cited in that

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article i did play

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at least a little bit of role in uh

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ginning up some information on

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so yeah let me change some things up and

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let me get to that

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uh yeah this was pretty interesting uh

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tony bragalia had

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emailed me a while back about this that

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he thought that

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something that merited a closer look and

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i agreed with him and

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helped him on that provided him with

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some information and

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uh let's let's uh let's go through

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tony's article

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a little bit here uh in the transcript

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for the 2020 annual stockbroke

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stockholders meeting for ttsa

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delong introduces board of directors

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member christopher miser

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delong indicates that mizer leads the

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new business development for ttsa

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and he extols miser's experience and

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uh goes on and on but uh from the yahoo

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finance

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forum we see 65 reactions to miser's

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penny stock

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a company called ifan which he calls a

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company in the development stage that is

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engaged in design

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development and distribution of software

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for mobile payment

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it was founded in 2010

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the company still characterizes itself

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as a development stage company

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this is a classic con maneuver per tony

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uh

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extend expectations of success or

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results year after year we're almost

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there

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we only need and so on and so forth

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one dissatisfied investor in miser

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writes of ifan it appears

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to a flat line for the time being there

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are a few other negative comments but uh

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one in particular

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gets very specific uh

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wrote of miser he is going to jail for a

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very long time for fraud

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and running this ifan scam for so long

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he continues they lured investors first

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by mailing them

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uh the flashy multi-colored flyers and

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making all false claims that google

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apple or facebook was going to acquire

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them soon and uh

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so on and so forth also uh mentions

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let's see another quote from above

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i am now sure both the ifan thugs namely

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steve

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shull and christopher miser leaving

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behind suckered shareholders

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uh that that type of comment

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and i'll i'll get i'll double back steve

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schulze because he works

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with miser at the vavaris capital which

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seems to be sort of the misers flagship

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which he is the ceo of and then uh

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researcher frank stalter

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discovered and related to me that miser

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is also on the advisory board

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of a multi-level marketing company

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called therapeutic solutions

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international inc

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which makes health claims for their

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products that are likely illegal

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uh this uh their uh nutraceutical

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division

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certainly straddles the line relative to

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fda

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regulations uh prohibiting making claims

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for such products being able to diagnose

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treat or cure any disease

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unfortunately one of miser's company

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products hints and efficacy for

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covid which is a downright dangerous

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claim

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not only that but the supplements that

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they offer are sold for prices

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that are many many times the cost of

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similar products

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uh one supplement that mizer sells is an

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antioxidant extract of blueberry

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called taro still bean he sells a 40 day

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supply for a whopping 398 dollars

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uh comparable products from online

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retailers sell for 40.

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meiser's company's chief medical officer

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graduated from a caribbean medical

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school

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falsely claimed doing residents at ucs

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uh university of california san

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francisco and created never launched

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health

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charities and in fact that is accurate a

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lot of that material

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uh well we'll uh i might couch the spin

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a little bit differently but as far as

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the facts are concerned

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that is quite accurate uh you can go

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actually to the yahoo finance web page

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and if and search for a stock and the

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stock you're looking for

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is tsoi and what you'll see

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they they obviously they keep track of

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the up-to-date uh what the

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what the stock is uh going for these

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days and

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you know you can click on different time

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frames and look at the stock's

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performance

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uh going back a month a year five years

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the lifetime of the stock whatever the

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case may be

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and on that page if you scroll down

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you'll

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see news related to the company and a

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lot of times

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the news that you'll see there are press

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releases from the company so if you

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scroll down

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uh what you will see uh in uh on the uh

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on the tsoi web page is that basically

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this is a biotech firm it's headquarters

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uh in a strip cluster next to a

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brazilian

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jiu jitsu uh a dojo basically uh that's

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where it is

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and uh what the you've seen what you'll

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see is a

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claims in terms of helping their their

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products

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are helping things like breast cancer

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increasing survival rates of brain

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damage

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covered victims working on stem cell

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therapy for the brain injury

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solving multiple sclerosis solving

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schizophrenia

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solving memory impairment solving

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suicide and inhibiting inflammation

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induced blood clotting

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and all that all those press releases

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were condensed into a four-month period

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now i'm going to tell you the the

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world's largest pharmaceutical giants

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don't have

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that kind of ambitious agenda

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and to say that this company that is

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located

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in a strip mall near san diego next to a

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brazilian jiu jitsu dojo

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you know that that is uh it's strange

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credulity let's put it that way

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and uh certainly merits uh some closer

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attention

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now let's uh let's move forward here i

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did

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mention that uh let's let's go beyond

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that

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i uh tony did mention and this is

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something that i turned up as well

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this is uh the chief science officer

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for uh tsoi and uh

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uh this is uh from the san diego

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you oh hang on a sec let me let me move

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it over here as well

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we've got i got a couple windows open

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because it's kind of tough to read there

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we go

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from the san diego union tribune records

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of physician running for congress

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warrant scrutiny

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and again this is the chief science

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officer

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for tsoi dr james veldmeyer

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a review of public records show that

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some of the claims of eltmeyer's

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campaign has made about his education

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training and charitable work warrant

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further explanation

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let's see belt meyer segment uh license

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uh let's see uh this is uh veltmeyer's

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second campaign for congress during his

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first campaign

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he said he went to medical school in

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california licensing uh records show

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that belt meyer studied at ross

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university school

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of medicine in dominica an island nation

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in the caribbean

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in his current marketing campaign or

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excuse me in his current campaign he

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said that after medical school

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he completed a residency in family

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medicine through

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university of california san francisco

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okay

575
00:21:10,710 --> 00:21:09,360
actually beltmeyer took part in a less

576
00:21:14,230 --> 00:21:10,720
competitive program

577
00:21:16,070 --> 00:21:14,240
in fresno affiliated with uc

578
00:21:18,310 --> 00:21:16,080
sf university of california at san

579
00:21:20,149 --> 00:21:18,320
francisco uh when veltmeyer launched his

580
00:21:21,669 --> 00:21:20,159
campaign for congress he ran for

581
00:21:23,669 --> 00:21:21,679
congress a couple of times

582
00:21:25,669 --> 00:21:23,679
when he launched his campaign he

583
00:21:26,470 --> 00:21:25,679
released the pamphlet saying that he and

584
00:21:28,630 --> 00:21:26,480
his wife

585
00:21:30,230 --> 00:21:28,640
formed a foundation to help overhaul the

586
00:21:32,310 --> 00:21:30,240
american health care system

587
00:21:34,950 --> 00:21:32,320
and assist a team of surgeons with

588
00:21:36,710 --> 00:21:34,960
crucial low-cost care abroad he asked

589
00:21:38,230 --> 00:21:36,720
for money to support their work

590
00:21:40,549 --> 00:21:38,240
according to state records and

591
00:21:44,070 --> 00:21:40,559
statements from belt meyer's campaign

592
00:21:46,470 --> 00:21:44,080
the charities don't exist yet so uh

593
00:21:48,549 --> 00:21:46,480
and uh let's uh let's double back now

594
00:21:51,029 --> 00:21:48,559
and uh talk a little bit more about

595
00:21:52,149 --> 00:21:51,039
miser i realize i'm jumping a little bit

596
00:21:57,430 --> 00:21:52,159
all over the place

597
00:22:02,950 --> 00:22:00,470
uh main uh sort of his flagship

598
00:22:04,789 --> 00:22:02,960
is uh the varus capital in which he

599
00:22:08,149 --> 00:22:04,799
works with the aforementioned steve

600
00:22:10,870 --> 00:22:08,159
scholl and uh this particular company uh

601
00:22:12,070 --> 00:22:10,880
provides a number of uh case studies

602
00:22:15,110 --> 00:22:12,080
about their investment

603
00:22:16,149 --> 00:22:15,120
success and basically i'm gonna read

604
00:22:18,310 --> 00:22:16,159
from some of it

605
00:22:19,510 --> 00:22:18,320
uh they've got four listed one for real

606
00:22:21,590 --> 00:22:19,520
estate uh

607
00:22:22,950 --> 00:22:21,600
that doesn't look uh doesn't look too

608
00:22:25,430 --> 00:22:22,960
bad looks like uh

609
00:22:25,990 --> 00:22:25,440
they picked up a property out that way

610
00:22:28,950 --> 00:22:26,000
and

611
00:22:29,590 --> 00:22:28,960
we're able to turn a nice profit uh one

612
00:22:33,350 --> 00:22:29,600
thing is

613
00:22:34,549 --> 00:22:33,360
curious that uh uh in these case studies

614
00:22:37,190 --> 00:22:34,559
of success for

615
00:22:39,190 --> 00:22:37,200
vivarius capital that uh there it's

616
00:22:41,669 --> 00:22:39,200
really lacking in specifics uh

617
00:22:43,669 --> 00:22:41,679
uh let's see says they rule relocated a

618
00:22:44,870 --> 00:22:43,679
major real estate groups uh west coast

619
00:22:46,870 --> 00:22:44,880
office to the site

620
00:22:48,710 --> 00:22:46,880
well you know who's the major real

621
00:22:50,390 --> 00:22:48,720
estate group yeah you would certainly uh

622
00:22:52,230 --> 00:22:50,400
why why would you keep that secret if

623
00:22:53,029 --> 00:22:52,240
you were able to do that uh sort of

624
00:22:55,510 --> 00:22:53,039
thing

625
00:22:56,390 --> 00:22:55,520
and ultimately they said they resold the

626
00:23:00,390 --> 00:22:56,400
property for

627
00:23:02,230 --> 00:23:00,400
a roughly a a 15.5 million dollar

628
00:23:03,750 --> 00:23:02,240
net profit that might well have happened

629
00:23:04,630 --> 00:23:03,760
but again it's kind of lacking in

630
00:23:05,990 --> 00:23:04,640
specifics

631
00:23:08,070 --> 00:23:06,000
you know certainly if i were going to

632
00:23:10,710 --> 00:23:08,080
invest there i would want to know

633
00:23:12,950 --> 00:23:10,720
and then there's a technology case study

634
00:23:15,750 --> 00:23:12,960
uh they acquired 80 percent of an

635
00:23:17,110 --> 00:23:15,760
uh inc 500 technology company well

636
00:23:19,990 --> 00:23:17,120
what's the name of the company

637
00:23:22,390 --> 00:23:20,000
okay why wouldn't you do that and uh the

638
00:23:23,270 --> 00:23:22,400
various investors still own control of

639
00:23:25,909 --> 00:23:23,280
the company

640
00:23:26,870 --> 00:23:25,919
and have an unrealized annualized return

641
00:23:29,669 --> 00:23:26,880
on their investment

642
00:23:30,710 --> 00:23:29,679
of 41 those are eye-popping return

643
00:23:32,710 --> 00:23:30,720
numbers but

644
00:23:33,830 --> 00:23:32,720
you know again kind of lacking in terms

645
00:23:36,630 --> 00:23:33,840
of uh

646
00:23:38,070 --> 00:23:36,640
you know why would you keep that sort of

647
00:23:40,549 --> 00:23:38,080
that sort of information

648
00:23:41,590 --> 00:23:40,559
uh that sort of detail uh why wouldn't

649
00:23:43,909 --> 00:23:41,600
you mention it uh

650
00:23:45,269 --> 00:23:43,919
okay uh here's a here's another one

651
00:23:47,830 --> 00:23:45,279
where they acquired

652
00:23:48,310 --> 00:23:47,840
in the defense they acquired a nick

653
00:23:50,390 --> 00:23:48,320
niche

654
00:23:51,830 --> 00:23:50,400
defense contractor obviously it's a

655
00:23:54,149 --> 00:23:51,840
pretty small company but

656
00:23:55,110 --> 00:23:54,159
why not name the company makes no sense

657
00:23:57,350 --> 00:23:55,120
to me

658
00:23:59,430 --> 00:23:57,360
and then finally there was another one

659
00:24:03,430 --> 00:23:59,440
involving the medical field

660
00:24:05,590 --> 00:24:03,440
and again no no real specifics here

661
00:24:07,909 --> 00:24:05,600
medical products growth equity acquired

662
00:24:10,789 --> 00:24:07,919
a developer and marketer of innovative

663
00:24:13,110 --> 00:24:10,799
medical soft goods a company had issued

664
00:24:15,750 --> 00:24:13,120
several patents blah blah blah

665
00:24:17,430 --> 00:24:15,760
but looks like that they sold the

666
00:24:19,430 --> 00:24:17,440
company to it a competitor

667
00:24:21,990 --> 00:24:19,440
uh giving investors a seven times

668
00:24:25,350 --> 00:24:22,000
absolute return of 68

669
00:24:28,230 --> 00:24:25,360
uh well you know again a real a real

670
00:24:29,029 --> 00:24:28,240
lack of a real lack of detail in all

671
00:24:32,630 --> 00:24:29,039
this so

672
00:24:35,269 --> 00:24:32,640
uh very uh i'm not going to be investing

673
00:24:37,750 --> 00:24:35,279
in any of these companies anytime soon

674
00:24:39,269 --> 00:24:37,760
as you can imagine but now let's go now

675
00:24:41,990 --> 00:24:39,279
to uh the actual

676
00:24:42,870 --> 00:24:42,000
uh we're bringing up for you the uh

677
00:24:45,669 --> 00:24:42,880
actual uh

678
00:24:45,990 --> 00:24:45,679
transcript of the i guess earlier this

679
00:24:49,269 --> 00:24:46,000
year

680
00:24:51,110 --> 00:24:49,279
a ttsa investors meeting and

681
00:24:53,430 --> 00:24:51,120
let me through read through that uh

682
00:24:55,830 --> 00:24:53,440
quickly jim semavann

683
00:24:57,669 --> 00:24:55,840
quoted here thank you tom chris and

684
00:24:59,269 --> 00:24:57,679
steve for providing those updates we'll

685
00:25:00,230 --> 00:24:59,279
now answer a few questions from the

686
00:25:03,750 --> 00:25:00,240
stockholders

687
00:25:05,590 --> 00:25:03,760
uh one question's asked about gary nolan

688
00:25:07,750 --> 00:25:05,600
and calm kelleher moving along

689
00:25:09,590 --> 00:25:07,760
uh derek davis moving along those are

690
00:25:13,350 --> 00:25:09,600
names we're all pretty familiar with

691
00:25:16,149 --> 00:25:13,360
but now they've added chris miser

692
00:25:17,510 --> 00:25:16,159
uh this from tom delong i'm not able to

693
00:25:20,390 --> 00:25:17,520
comment on the exact

694
00:25:21,350 --> 00:25:20,400
circumstances uh behind the departures

695
00:25:22,630 --> 00:25:21,360
although that

696
00:25:24,549 --> 00:25:22,640
that sort of thing has been kicked

697
00:25:26,390 --> 00:25:24,559
around but uh here he's quoted

698
00:25:28,070 --> 00:25:26,400
uh the addition of chris miser to the

699
00:25:31,110 --> 00:25:28,080
board of directors is indicative

700
00:25:31,669 --> 00:25:31,120
of increased business discipline so you

701
00:25:33,350 --> 00:25:31,679
know

702
00:25:35,590 --> 00:25:33,360
that uh that's about where i'll leave

703
00:25:37,990 --> 00:25:35,600
that one off and uh that

704
00:25:39,510 --> 00:25:38,000
uh obviously yeah the rest of uh tony's

705
00:25:41,669 --> 00:25:39,520
article uh does cover

706
00:25:42,789 --> 00:25:41,679
a lot of different things that delong

707
00:25:44,470 --> 00:25:42,799
has been involved with

708
00:25:46,789 --> 00:25:44,480
a lot of that stuff has sort of been

709
00:25:47,590 --> 00:25:46,799
covered he uh included that as a kind of

710
00:25:50,149 --> 00:25:47,600
a recap

711
00:25:51,990 --> 00:25:50,159
uh the main find here is uh christopher

712
00:25:58,149 --> 00:25:52,000
miser and his business background

713
00:26:05,269 --> 00:26:01,990
wrote regarding regarding the

714
00:26:08,310 --> 00:26:05,279
science officer for tsoi

715
00:26:09,350 --> 00:26:08,320
therapeutic solutions that merits a

716
00:26:12,390 --> 00:26:09,360
closer look and

717
00:26:15,430 --> 00:26:12,400
and i think it does and uh so we'll

718
00:26:17,029 --> 00:26:15,440
we'll we'll see how that goes so uh uh a

719
00:26:17,990 --> 00:26:17,039
chant that you have any comments about

720
00:26:20,710 --> 00:26:18,000
any of this

721
00:26:22,870 --> 00:26:20,720
or any comments about uh uh what's

722
00:26:25,590 --> 00:26:22,880
included in the rest of tony's article

723
00:26:27,029 --> 00:26:25,600
well actually uh before i go into that i

724
00:26:29,190 --> 00:26:27,039
had a question for you

725
00:26:30,630 --> 00:26:29,200
and that is i know the answer because

726
00:26:32,630 --> 00:26:30,640
we've discussed this topic

727
00:26:33,830 --> 00:26:32,640
many times before but i do have a

728
00:26:36,149 --> 00:26:33,840
question for you

729
00:26:38,630 --> 00:26:36,159
on a really interesting topic that this

730
00:26:39,510 --> 00:26:38,640
article covers a bit and that is meta

731
00:26:41,350 --> 00:26:39,520
materials

732
00:26:42,789 --> 00:26:41,360
you and i both know that there are uh

733
00:26:45,510 --> 00:26:42,799
scientists who are

734
00:26:47,350 --> 00:26:45,520
really interested acutely interested in

735
00:26:48,230 --> 00:26:47,360
learning more about metamaterials when

736
00:26:50,230 --> 00:26:48,240
you agree

737
00:26:51,990 --> 00:26:50,240
oh yeah absolutely as a matter of fact

738
00:26:53,830 --> 00:26:52,000
we might get to talk a little

739
00:26:55,590 --> 00:26:53,840
bit about this before the end of the

740
00:26:58,630 --> 00:26:55,600
show if we don't go on too long

741
00:27:00,230 --> 00:26:58,640
and uh jack valet and james fox

742
00:27:02,310 --> 00:27:00,240
were interviewed on the joe rogan

743
00:27:03,029 --> 00:27:02,320
podcast one of the top podcasts in the

744
00:27:05,510 --> 00:27:03,039
world

745
00:27:07,190 --> 00:27:05,520
so they went they went a good three

746
00:27:08,549 --> 00:27:07,200
hours and i listened to it as i was uh

747
00:27:10,390 --> 00:27:08,559
preparing for the show

748
00:27:12,549 --> 00:27:10,400
and the belay went into quite a bit of

749
00:27:14,630 --> 00:27:12,559
detail about the materials on the show

750
00:27:16,470 --> 00:27:14,640
so uh that was interesting stuff again

751
00:27:19,590 --> 00:27:16,480
nothing really new he did

752
00:27:22,149 --> 00:27:19,600
discuss that he had been in contact

753
00:27:23,909 --> 00:27:22,159
with a reputable scientist who had come

754
00:27:24,789 --> 00:27:23,919
across some materials himself and was

755
00:27:26,789 --> 00:27:24,799
talking about it

756
00:27:28,630 --> 00:27:26,799
uh he also talked about the isotopic

757
00:27:31,269 --> 00:27:28,640
ratio differences and all that

758
00:27:33,510 --> 00:27:31,279
again nothing new for us here but to get

759
00:27:35,590 --> 00:27:33,520
that material out there in some detail

760
00:27:37,909 --> 00:27:35,600
uh on a show like rogan so then

761
00:27:41,350 --> 00:27:37,919
obviously uh that's a real nice piece

762
00:27:41,750 --> 00:27:41,360
uh but uh yeah let's double back to uh

763
00:27:45,909 --> 00:27:41,760
that

764
00:27:47,830 --> 00:27:45,919
yeah the materials

765
00:27:49,909 --> 00:27:47,840
go over that little topic with you to

766
00:27:51,190 --> 00:27:49,919
confirm that we do agree there are

767
00:27:53,269 --> 00:27:51,200
scientists

768
00:27:55,190 --> 00:27:53,279
that are interested acutely interested

769
00:27:55,510 --> 00:27:55,200
in the meta-material topic oh absolutely

770
00:27:59,029 --> 00:27:55,520
yeah

771
00:28:01,110 --> 00:27:59,039
of them right now

772
00:28:02,389 --> 00:28:01,120
right oh sure well obviously villain

773
00:28:05,430 --> 00:28:02,399
because he talked about it

774
00:28:08,070 --> 00:28:05,440
uh professor peter sturrick uh professor

775
00:28:09,590 --> 00:28:08,080
gary nolan who was mentioned as having

776
00:28:11,430 --> 00:28:09,600
left ttsa but

777
00:28:13,430 --> 00:28:11,440
uh as far as i know he's still working

778
00:28:15,590 --> 00:28:13,440
with valet on some pieces that they have

779
00:28:16,470 --> 00:28:15,600
so those are the three main ones whose

780
00:28:18,149 --> 00:28:16,480
names i know

781
00:28:19,750 --> 00:28:18,159
three main ones but i would also venture

782
00:28:22,070 --> 00:28:19,760
to say that scientist

783
00:28:23,269 --> 00:28:22,080
uh deep prasad and dr kevin knuth would

784
00:28:25,909 --> 00:28:23,279
probably be

785
00:28:26,789 --> 00:28:25,919
acutely interested in metamaterials uh

786
00:28:29,190 --> 00:28:26,799
as well

787
00:28:32,230 --> 00:28:29,200
uh i don't think i am going uh over the

788
00:28:33,590 --> 00:28:32,240
line by saying that on their behalf

789
00:28:35,350 --> 00:28:33,600
probably would be interested in

790
00:28:36,870 --> 00:28:35,360
something like that yeah deep has

791
00:28:38,389 --> 00:28:36,880
because we discussed that we discussed

792
00:28:41,029 --> 00:28:38,399
it when he was on the show i

793
00:28:42,549 --> 00:28:41,039
don't know i'm sure professor knuth is

794
00:28:45,430 --> 00:28:42,559
interested i don't

795
00:28:46,950 --> 00:28:45,440
wrote a paper about the uap topic and

796
00:28:48,789 --> 00:28:46,960
had it published by the max planck

797
00:28:52,549 --> 00:28:48,799
institute anyway what i was going to say

798
00:28:55,510 --> 00:28:52,559
is um it's just rather interesting

799
00:28:56,950 --> 00:28:55,520
that uh it's a tony uh broglia right is

800
00:28:59,269 --> 00:28:56,960
that regalia

801
00:29:00,470 --> 00:28:59,279
yeah yeah sorry i i'm not very good at

802
00:29:03,909 --> 00:29:00,480
pronouncing that

803
00:29:06,389 --> 00:29:03,919
that name regalia um but uh i just found

804
00:29:09,350 --> 00:29:06,399
it very interesting regarding the uh

805
00:29:10,149 --> 00:29:09,360
certain a certain aspect of the article

806
00:29:12,070 --> 00:29:10,159
that

807
00:29:13,190 --> 00:29:12,080
tony uh wrote about i'm just going to go

808
00:29:15,669 --> 00:29:13,200
ahead and bring it up and i'm going to

809
00:29:19,110 --> 00:29:15,679
read something to you right now

810
00:29:21,110 --> 00:29:19,120
okay so he says perhaps the most

811
00:29:22,789 --> 00:29:21,120
egregious example of de long's

812
00:29:26,310 --> 00:29:22,799
unrestrained promotion

813
00:29:29,190 --> 00:29:26,320
is shown in his touting ttsa's payment

814
00:29:29,750 --> 00:29:29,200
of 35 grand to researcher linda howe to

815
00:29:33,110 --> 00:29:29,760
purchase

816
00:29:35,830 --> 00:29:33,120
alleged roswell ufo debris from her

817
00:29:37,510 --> 00:29:35,840
known in ufo circles is arts parts this

818
00:29:39,510 --> 00:29:37,520
layered material was originally mailed

819
00:29:42,630 --> 00:29:39,520
to former coast to coast radio

820
00:29:45,190 --> 00:29:42,640
host art bell nearly 25 years ago

821
00:29:46,230 --> 00:29:45,200
these very terrestrial looking pieces

822
00:29:49,430 --> 00:29:46,240
air quotes

823
00:29:52,310 --> 00:29:49,440
pieces have been shown to be comp com

824
00:29:53,750 --> 00:29:52,320
comprised of 25 alternating layers of

825
00:29:56,710 --> 00:29:53,760
business

826
00:29:57,350 --> 00:29:56,720
and then he explains what bismuth is and

827
00:30:00,870 --> 00:29:57,360
alloyed

828
00:30:04,310 --> 00:30:00,880
magnesium zinc technologist

829
00:30:06,870 --> 00:30:04,320
nicholas uh reader is it or writer

830
00:30:08,070 --> 00:30:06,880
sure a ride many years ago found

831
00:30:10,230 --> 00:30:08,080
reference in the technical

832
00:30:12,789 --> 00:30:10,240
literature to the betterton kroll

833
00:30:15,510 --> 00:30:12,799
process an obscure process which uses

834
00:30:16,310 --> 00:30:15,520
layered bismuth and magnesium zinc to

835
00:30:18,870 --> 00:30:16,320
extract

836
00:30:20,070 --> 00:30:18,880
impurities out of lead the process

837
00:30:22,549 --> 00:30:20,080
results in unique

838
00:30:24,070 --> 00:30:22,559
industrial slag boarding times magazine

839
00:30:24,950 --> 00:30:24,080
of the uk endorsed this pros a

840
00:30:26,590 --> 00:30:24,960
conclusion

841
00:30:29,430 --> 00:30:26,600
in an authoritative piece published in

842
00:30:30,789 --> 00:30:29,440
2016. i just wanted to mention something

843
00:30:32,310 --> 00:30:30,799
that i found interesting and then i'll

844
00:30:33,029 --> 00:30:32,320
go ahead and go on with another point i

845
00:30:35,510 --> 00:30:33,039
wanted to

846
00:30:36,549 --> 00:30:35,520
bring to your attention and the

847
00:30:39,590 --> 00:30:36,559
listeners attention

848
00:30:42,070 --> 00:30:39,600
and that is when uh tony states

849
00:30:43,269 --> 00:30:42,080
the most egregious example of de long's

850
00:30:46,870 --> 00:30:43,279
unrestrained promotion

851
00:30:50,310 --> 00:30:46,880
is shown in his touting ttsa's payment

852
00:30:52,630 --> 00:30:50,320
of 35 grand to researcher linda howe

853
00:30:54,310 --> 00:30:52,640
to purchase alleged roswell ufo debris

854
00:30:56,789 --> 00:30:54,320
from her

855
00:30:58,470 --> 00:30:56,799
now the word egregious i just wanted to

856
00:31:00,710 --> 00:30:58,480
bring that up because i find that

857
00:31:01,669 --> 00:31:00,720
a very interesting word to use that

858
00:31:04,950 --> 00:31:01,679
basically means

859
00:31:06,950 --> 00:31:04,960
outstandingly bad and shocking now um

860
00:31:09,430 --> 00:31:06,960
the reason why i asked you

861
00:31:11,110 --> 00:31:09,440
if felt you and i both agree that there

862
00:31:11,750 --> 00:31:11,120
are scientists that would be acutely

863
00:31:13,430 --> 00:31:11,760
interested

864
00:31:15,750 --> 00:31:13,440
in the meta-material topic is because

865
00:31:17,430 --> 00:31:15,760
it's true there are scientists that are

866
00:31:18,789 --> 00:31:17,440
sure they're absolutely interested in

867
00:31:21,269 --> 00:31:18,799
that there's also

868
00:31:23,190 --> 00:31:21,279
i'm going to guess it's not unrealistic

869
00:31:25,669 --> 00:31:23,200
to assume there are organizations

870
00:31:26,870 --> 00:31:25,679
out there such as the scu the scientific

871
00:31:30,630 --> 00:31:26,880
coalition for uap

872
00:31:33,269 --> 00:31:30,640
studies uh many many wonderful credible

873
00:31:34,789 --> 00:31:33,279
folks on the board of that organization

874
00:31:35,590 --> 00:31:34,799
and involved in that organization would

875
00:31:37,509 --> 00:31:35,600
be

876
00:31:39,110 --> 00:31:37,519
very interested in the meta-material uh

877
00:31:41,029 --> 00:31:39,120
topic and they've also

878
00:31:43,029 --> 00:31:41,039
been able to cover that uh with i think

879
00:31:46,710 --> 00:31:43,039
it was lou elizondo did a talk on the

880
00:31:49,430 --> 00:31:46,720
material topic at their one and only

881
00:31:50,950 --> 00:31:49,440
seminar or a conference that they had in

882
00:31:53,590 --> 00:31:50,960
alabama

883
00:31:55,669 --> 00:31:53,600
now my point here is i don't think

884
00:32:00,070 --> 00:31:55,679
that's exactly shocking

885
00:32:04,149 --> 00:32:00,080
that ttsa an organization that is known

886
00:32:07,990 --> 00:32:06,149
actively from the point of their

887
00:32:12,549 --> 00:32:08,000
inception on up to the present

888
00:32:15,029 --> 00:32:12,559
period of time on the ufo topic

889
00:32:16,950 --> 00:32:15,039
would want to pay something uh that

890
00:32:19,509 --> 00:32:16,960
could be metamaterial related

891
00:32:21,029 --> 00:32:19,519
uh that doesn't sound shocking to me

892
00:32:24,070 --> 00:32:21,039
that sounds

893
00:32:24,470 --> 00:32:24,080
like that is what a an organization

894
00:32:28,070 --> 00:32:24,480
might

895
00:32:31,029 --> 00:32:28,080
want to do if they wanted to be able to

896
00:32:32,310 --> 00:32:31,039
research more about a possible

897
00:32:35,350 --> 00:32:32,320
meta-material

898
00:32:37,190 --> 00:32:35,360
substance or material that could be of

899
00:32:39,269 --> 00:32:37,200
unknown origin

900
00:32:41,190 --> 00:32:39,279
so i don't think that's exactly

901
00:32:42,630 --> 00:32:41,200
egregious i think that's sort of an

902
00:32:45,190 --> 00:32:42,640
exaggeration

903
00:32:46,789 --> 00:32:45,200
and then moving along uh okay well let

904
00:32:48,310 --> 00:32:46,799
me let me jump in and comment on that

905
00:32:50,470 --> 00:32:48,320
before you get to your next point

906
00:32:52,149 --> 00:32:50,480
i i wouldn't say that i think that one

907
00:32:52,870 --> 00:32:52,159
of the most egregious things the long

908
00:32:55,750 --> 00:32:52,880
did was

909
00:32:57,830 --> 00:32:55,760
at on the uh aforementioned rogan show

910
00:33:01,110 --> 00:32:57,840
where he brought in what was obviously a

911
00:33:03,990 --> 00:33:01,120
a cgi uh image of a triangular

912
00:33:04,950 --> 00:33:04,000
uh ufo was obviously an animation and he

913
00:33:06,870 --> 00:33:04,960
said it was real

914
00:33:08,470 --> 00:33:06,880
you know that was pretty egregious uh

915
00:33:10,950 --> 00:33:08,480
yeah yeah so i would

916
00:33:12,789 --> 00:33:10,960
i would disagree with uh tony on that

917
00:33:14,950 --> 00:33:12,799
but uh by the same token

918
00:33:15,909 --> 00:33:14,960
uh that particular piece that arts part

919
00:33:18,230 --> 00:33:15,919
piece is uh

920
00:33:20,870 --> 00:33:18,240
has been talked about since uh pretty

921
00:33:24,149 --> 00:33:20,880
much day one over the last three years

922
00:33:26,389 --> 00:33:24,159
and it's not a pizza just a bismuth

923
00:33:27,909 --> 00:33:26,399
it's a it's a weak metal i mean i went

924
00:33:30,549 --> 00:33:27,919
over the soil with deep it's a

925
00:33:32,870 --> 00:33:30,559
it's a weak metal uh it doesn't really

926
00:33:35,509 --> 00:33:32,880
have a whole lot of industrial use

927
00:33:36,470 --> 00:33:35,519
it's kind of curious as to you know what

928
00:33:38,470 --> 00:33:36,480
what possible

929
00:33:40,230 --> 00:33:38,480
use could it have in any kind anything

930
00:33:41,029 --> 00:33:40,240
that's uh in any way shape or form

931
00:33:43,830 --> 00:33:41,039
advanced

932
00:33:44,310 --> 00:33:43,840
uh and uh obviously it's been tested

933
00:33:47,029 --> 00:33:44,320
before

934
00:33:48,389 --> 00:33:47,039
she's gotten results back and uh you

935
00:33:50,389 --> 00:33:48,399
know it's always come back as

936
00:33:51,990 --> 00:33:50,399
being very very earthly there are other

937
00:33:53,830 --> 00:33:52,000
pieces that are floating around that are

938
00:33:56,070 --> 00:33:53,840
a lot more interesting obviously

939
00:33:57,430 --> 00:33:56,080
and those are the pieces that uh valet

940
00:34:01,750 --> 00:33:57,440
has gotten his hands on and

941
00:34:05,190 --> 00:34:01,760
apparently ttsa as well they apparently

942
00:34:07,269 --> 00:34:05,200
valet got a few pieces uh uh regarding

943
00:34:08,470 --> 00:34:07,279
uh the yuba tuba crash uh we've talked

944
00:34:10,790 --> 00:34:08,480
about that in some detail

945
00:34:12,230 --> 00:34:10,800
here uh obviously he tested it uh

946
00:34:14,710 --> 00:34:12,240
returned it to the owners

947
00:34:15,430 --> 00:34:14,720
and then apparently uh within the last

948
00:34:17,909 --> 00:34:15,440
year or so

949
00:34:18,629 --> 00:34:17,919
ttsa has also gotten their hands on it

950
00:34:21,430 --> 00:34:18,639
as well

951
00:34:21,909 --> 00:34:21,440
so and what else have they come up with

952
00:34:23,909 --> 00:34:21,919
uh they

953
00:34:25,669 --> 00:34:23,919
they say that they have a piece uh uh

954
00:34:27,990 --> 00:34:25,679
possibly from rendelsham

955
00:34:28,790 --> 00:34:28,000
uh uh we we've gotten uh we've gone over

956
00:34:30,310 --> 00:34:28,800
this uh in

957
00:34:32,230 --> 00:34:30,320
quite a bit of detail there are a few

958
00:34:34,550 --> 00:34:32,240
pieces floating out there oh and then

959
00:34:36,869 --> 00:34:34,560
just uh to follow up uh when bigelow was

960
00:34:40,470 --> 00:34:36,879
in his business uh with his uh

961
00:34:42,950 --> 00:34:40,480
uh uh with his organization

962
00:34:44,470 --> 00:34:42,960
uh and uh before he got involved with

963
00:34:46,470 --> 00:34:44,480
the government but when he had his uh

964
00:34:48,470 --> 00:34:46,480
his nids organization together

965
00:34:50,550 --> 00:34:48,480
uh he had acquired a few pieces and had

966
00:34:51,750 --> 00:34:50,560
them tested including the bob white

967
00:34:53,430 --> 00:34:51,760
piece and that came back

968
00:34:54,950 --> 00:34:53,440
you know negative in terms of anything

969
00:34:55,669 --> 00:34:54,960
that was advanced or anything along

970
00:34:57,990 --> 00:34:55,679
those lines

971
00:34:59,430 --> 00:34:58,000
so yeah this is something that's uh it's

972
00:35:01,190 --> 00:34:59,440
been floating around a while

973
00:35:03,589 --> 00:35:01,200
there's some better material and

974
00:35:06,230 --> 00:35:03,599
obviously there's some dodgy material

975
00:35:07,030 --> 00:35:06,240
and i don't see any reason to believe

976
00:35:09,589 --> 00:35:07,040
that the

977
00:35:10,470 --> 00:35:09,599
the arts parts piece the the piece that

978
00:35:14,069 --> 00:35:10,480
uh linda

979
00:35:16,950 --> 00:35:14,079
howe sold to ttsa uh really uh

980
00:35:17,910 --> 00:35:16,960
has uh it's not e.t i'm pretty confident

981
00:35:20,310 --> 00:35:17,920
in saying that

982
00:35:22,390 --> 00:35:20,320
and how she got they you know more power

983
00:35:23,109 --> 00:35:22,400
to her she got 35 grand out of it that's

984
00:35:25,750 --> 00:35:23,119
all i'll say

985
00:35:28,470 --> 00:35:25,760
now what i'd like to say uh also in

986
00:35:31,990 --> 00:35:28,480
addition to that topic is uh

987
00:35:34,630 --> 00:35:32,000
when a when an individual or a

988
00:35:35,670 --> 00:35:34,640
panel of scientists get a hold of

989
00:35:38,310 --> 00:35:35,680
material

990
00:35:40,390 --> 00:35:38,320
they do know that it depends on what

991
00:35:43,589 --> 00:35:40,400
side you might test the material

992
00:35:45,670 --> 00:35:43,599
that's not always true but uh

993
00:35:47,270 --> 00:35:45,680
i'll give you an example uh if a

994
00:35:50,230 --> 00:35:47,280
scientist were to study

995
00:35:51,589 --> 00:35:50,240
or do research in a forensic manner on a

996
00:35:54,550 --> 00:35:51,599
piece of material

997
00:35:56,790 --> 00:35:54,560
to take a piece from it it might be

998
00:35:59,990 --> 00:35:56,800
different on one side than say the other

999
00:36:02,150 --> 00:36:00,000
so what i'm saying here is if

1000
00:36:03,270 --> 00:36:02,160
that material being the arts parts

1001
00:36:05,990 --> 00:36:03,280
material that

1002
00:36:08,470 --> 00:36:06,000
linda molten howe had acquired by

1003
00:36:11,670 --> 00:36:08,480
various means whatever those means were

1004
00:36:12,230 --> 00:36:11,680
that might material may have needed to

1005
00:36:15,510 --> 00:36:12,240
have been

1006
00:36:17,589 --> 00:36:15,520
um forensically examined

1007
00:36:18,630 --> 00:36:17,599
in as many different ways as possible

1008
00:36:21,990 --> 00:36:18,640
meaning physically

1009
00:36:24,069 --> 00:36:22,000
all different uh physical parts of it

1010
00:36:25,349 --> 00:36:24,079
one side the other i don't know the

1011
00:36:27,829 --> 00:36:25,359
exact shape of it

1012
00:36:30,069 --> 00:36:27,839
but let's just pretend for the sake of

1013
00:36:31,910 --> 00:36:30,079
discussion it's an octagon shape

1014
00:36:33,589 --> 00:36:31,920
that would mean that every single side

1015
00:36:35,349 --> 00:36:33,599
of it may need to be forensically

1016
00:36:39,030 --> 00:36:35,359
examined so where i'm going with this

1017
00:36:40,950 --> 00:36:39,040
is if tom delong wanted to go ahead and

1018
00:36:44,069 --> 00:36:40,960
acquire that piece

1019
00:36:47,190 --> 00:36:44,079
and the other folks related to

1020
00:36:47,910 --> 00:36:47,200
the ttsa decision-making process on

1021
00:36:51,190 --> 00:36:47,920
purchasing

1022
00:36:51,670 --> 00:36:51,200
it may have all collectively agreed that

1023
00:36:54,550 --> 00:36:51,680
that

1024
00:36:55,750 --> 00:36:54,560
little piece needed to be examined in

1025
00:36:57,349 --> 00:36:55,760
other ways

1026
00:36:59,190 --> 00:36:57,359
unbeknownst to us that we're not

1027
00:37:00,550 --> 00:36:59,200
necessarily privy to so we do need to

1028
00:37:01,270 --> 00:37:00,560
give them the benefit of the doubt on

1029
00:37:02,870 --> 00:37:01,280
that because

1030
00:37:05,349 --> 00:37:02,880
they may have actually been aware that

1031
00:37:07,910 --> 00:37:05,359
only maybe possibly one sided

1032
00:37:09,670 --> 00:37:07,920
of it had been examined as opposed to

1033
00:37:11,829 --> 00:37:09,680
another side that had not

1034
00:37:13,430 --> 00:37:11,839
so we need to go ahead and give these

1035
00:37:15,030 --> 00:37:13,440
folks the benefit of the doubt regarding

1036
00:37:18,310 --> 00:37:15,040
that kind of process

1037
00:37:20,069 --> 00:37:18,320
and assume that it's possible that there

1038
00:37:21,910 --> 00:37:20,079
may have been different parts of that

1039
00:37:22,950 --> 00:37:21,920
material that were not examined

1040
00:37:24,790 --> 00:37:22,960
beforehand

1041
00:37:27,030 --> 00:37:24,800
and they wanted to have the opportunity

1042
00:37:27,750 --> 00:37:27,040
to do so hence their need to go ahead

1043
00:37:30,950 --> 00:37:27,760
and pay

1044
00:37:32,870 --> 00:37:30,960
that amount because look let's be honest

1045
00:37:35,349 --> 00:37:32,880
not everybody gives something away for

1046
00:37:37,589 --> 00:37:35,359
free nor are they willing to actually

1047
00:37:38,870 --> 00:37:37,599
lend it out that's just the nature of

1048
00:37:40,710 --> 00:37:38,880
the beast that's

1049
00:37:42,550 --> 00:37:40,720
normal that's par for the course i don't

1050
00:37:45,109 --> 00:37:42,560
think that's unusual

1051
00:37:45,829 --> 00:37:45,119
and i don't actually blame linda molten

1052
00:37:48,790 --> 00:37:45,839
howe at all

1053
00:37:49,990 --> 00:37:48,800
for having sold i don't i don't have i

1054
00:37:53,190 --> 00:37:50,000
personally don't think that

1055
00:37:54,390 --> 00:37:53,200
that's a a big deal besides we don't

1056
00:38:01,510 --> 00:37:54,400
know if

1057
00:38:03,510 --> 00:38:01,520
a good amount of out of pocket

1058
00:38:05,190 --> 00:38:03,520
uh money so to speak in order to have it

1059
00:38:06,390 --> 00:38:05,200
forensically examined now another thing

1060
00:38:08,550 --> 00:38:06,400
is she did yeah it has

1061
00:38:10,310 --> 00:38:08,560
it has been tested in the past yeah i'm

1062
00:38:14,310 --> 00:38:10,320
glad yes it has been

1063
00:38:18,069 --> 00:38:14,320
now would it be would it be correct

1064
00:38:20,390 --> 00:38:18,079
to say you can correct me please do that

1065
00:38:22,390 --> 00:38:20,400
she had it forensically examined right

1066
00:38:24,470 --> 00:38:22,400
uh she didn't in fact i think it was uh

1067
00:38:27,910 --> 00:38:24,480
done by hal put off of all people right

1068
00:38:28,550 --> 00:38:27,920
and uh the the results uh were sent back

1069
00:38:29,990 --> 00:38:28,560
to where i

1070
00:38:31,829 --> 00:38:30,000
you know i don't have them in front of

1071
00:38:33,829 --> 00:38:31,839
me but that basically it came back as

1072
00:38:35,910 --> 00:38:33,839
being mundane earthly

1073
00:38:37,190 --> 00:38:35,920
right prozac so what i wanted to mention

1074
00:38:40,950 --> 00:38:37,200
about that is uh

1075
00:38:43,750 --> 00:38:40,960
you know linda mullen howe uh she

1076
00:38:44,950 --> 00:38:43,760
she had that tested so obviously if she

1077
00:38:46,550 --> 00:38:44,960
had it tested

1078
00:38:49,589 --> 00:38:46,560
she would have had to have had a

1079
00:38:52,230 --> 00:38:49,599
discussion about isotopic analysis

1080
00:38:52,630 --> 00:38:52,240
because that would not have gone by her

1081
00:38:55,190 --> 00:38:52,640
uh

1082
00:38:56,230 --> 00:38:55,200
you know having had it tested they

1083
00:38:58,470 --> 00:38:56,240
whoever they are

1084
00:39:00,230 --> 00:38:58,480
who did the testing the lab would not

1085
00:39:02,150 --> 00:39:00,240
have ever not

1086
00:39:03,589 --> 00:39:02,160
mentioned that they would have brought

1087
00:39:06,150 --> 00:39:03,599
that kind of term

1088
00:39:07,910 --> 00:39:06,160
up to her and she would have probably

1089
00:39:09,829 --> 00:39:07,920
had a discussion about it

1090
00:39:11,270 --> 00:39:09,839
she wanted she would not have just

1091
00:39:13,109 --> 00:39:11,280
stayed silent

1092
00:39:15,109 --> 00:39:13,119
listening on the phone and never had an

1093
00:39:17,829 --> 00:39:15,119
a and b conversation about it

1094
00:39:19,349 --> 00:39:17,839
and then hung up you know and let that

1095
00:39:21,750 --> 00:39:19,359
individual talk about

1096
00:39:23,190 --> 00:39:21,760
an isotopic analysis or forensic

1097
00:39:25,510 --> 00:39:23,200
analysis and whatever

1098
00:39:26,550 --> 00:39:25,520
scientific terminology and then just

1099
00:39:27,990 --> 00:39:26,560
hung up the phone

1100
00:39:29,589 --> 00:39:28,000
she probably am going to give her the

1101
00:39:33,190 --> 00:39:29,599
benefit of the doubt had an

1102
00:39:37,510 --> 00:39:33,200
actual discussion about that

1103
00:39:43,030 --> 00:39:40,790
tony said i'm going to read this okay

1104
00:39:44,069 --> 00:39:43,040
i had the opportunity to speak with

1105
00:39:48,150 --> 00:39:44,079
linda howe

1106
00:39:51,829 --> 00:39:48,160
recently on another research matter

1107
00:39:54,950 --> 00:39:51,839
and slipped in a question about arts

1108
00:39:55,990 --> 00:39:54,960
parts i asked her if isotopic ratio

1109
00:39:57,990 --> 00:39:56,000
analysis

1110
00:39:59,430 --> 00:39:58,000
the definitive test he says in

1111
00:40:03,030 --> 00:39:59,440
parentheses to determine

1112
00:40:05,990 --> 00:40:03,040
if a material is of off earth origin

1113
00:40:07,109 --> 00:40:06,000
end of parentheses had been applied to

1114
00:40:09,510 --> 00:40:07,119
the material

1115
00:40:11,670 --> 00:40:09,520
she was evasive in directly answering

1116
00:40:13,589 --> 00:40:11,680
and i wondered if she even knew what

1117
00:40:16,870 --> 00:40:13,599
such testing was

1118
00:40:19,349 --> 00:40:16,880
she did not offer any details and lab

1119
00:40:22,230 --> 00:40:19,359
involved or the test results

1120
00:40:24,150 --> 00:40:22,240
though i asked if isotopic ratio

1121
00:40:27,109 --> 00:40:24,160
analysis was indeed conducted

1122
00:40:29,430 --> 00:40:27,119
and proved et origin it would be the

1123
00:40:31,349 --> 00:40:29,440
biggest scientific news in history

1124
00:40:33,030 --> 00:40:31,359
and it does not take weeks or months and

1125
00:40:35,349 --> 00:40:33,040
certainly not years to perform

1126
00:40:36,390 --> 00:40:35,359
an isotopic ratio analysis to determine

1127
00:40:38,309 --> 00:40:36,400
conclusively

1128
00:40:40,150 --> 00:40:38,319
whether the engineered material is

1129
00:40:42,550 --> 00:40:40,160
earthly or not

1130
00:40:43,190 --> 00:40:42,560
then there is the obvious if hal really

1131
00:40:45,670 --> 00:40:43,200
believed

1132
00:40:47,670 --> 00:40:45,680
she possessed actually roswell ufo

1133
00:40:48,550 --> 00:40:47,680
debris because she had it isotopically

1134
00:40:51,510 --> 00:40:48,560
tested

1135
00:40:53,190 --> 00:40:51,520
would she sell for 35 grand a major

1136
00:40:54,710 --> 00:40:53,200
science museum would pay millions

1137
00:40:56,550 --> 00:40:54,720
now i just want to go ahead and go over

1138
00:40:58,550 --> 00:40:56,560
this a little bit okay now

1139
00:40:59,990 --> 00:40:58,560
let me jump in here and i'm going to

1140
00:41:03,430 --> 00:41:00,000
jump in and

1141
00:41:06,470 --> 00:41:03,440
talk about isotopic ratios under

1142
00:41:10,790 --> 00:41:06,480
normal manufacturing conditions

1143
00:41:14,309 --> 00:41:10,800
sometimes lighter isotopes do burn off

1144
00:41:17,109 --> 00:41:14,319
okay so that that can be

1145
00:41:18,790 --> 00:41:17,119
tricky in terms of looking at isotopic

1146
00:41:20,710 --> 00:41:18,800
ratio testing and

1147
00:41:21,910 --> 00:41:20,720
determining you know is are they a

1148
00:41:25,430 --> 00:41:21,920
little off are they

1149
00:41:27,270 --> 00:41:25,440
way off okay so there's that

1150
00:41:29,510 --> 00:41:27,280
and you had actually made a good point

1151
00:41:32,390 --> 00:41:29,520
about uh

1152
00:41:32,950 --> 00:41:32,400
looking at these uh fragments from every

1153
00:41:35,589 --> 00:41:32,960
angle

1154
00:41:36,390 --> 00:41:35,599
uh because contamination can be an issue

1155
00:41:38,790 --> 00:41:36,400
as well

1156
00:41:39,510 --> 00:41:38,800
mm-hmm so that was a good thing that

1157
00:41:41,910 --> 00:41:39,520
that's very

1158
00:41:43,270 --> 00:41:41,920
yeah that that's something that was uh

1159
00:41:45,190 --> 00:41:43,280
absolutely considered

1160
00:41:46,309 --> 00:41:45,200
it's uh mentioned in uh professor

1161
00:41:53,430 --> 00:41:46,319
stirock's paper

1162
00:41:56,790 --> 00:41:55,109
know frank said something very very

1163
00:41:57,589 --> 00:41:56,800
important there please look at professor

1164
00:41:59,510 --> 00:41:57,599
stork

1165
00:42:00,790 --> 00:41:59,520
and the meta material topic because it's

1166
00:42:02,309 --> 00:42:00,800
fascinating and

1167
00:42:03,750 --> 00:42:02,319
i think you actually wrote an article on

1168
00:42:04,470 --> 00:42:03,760
that but we'll go ahead and go over that

1169
00:42:06,950 --> 00:42:04,480
later

1170
00:42:08,470 --> 00:42:06,960
i just wanted to go ahead and talk about

1171
00:42:08,870 --> 00:42:08,480
this interesting paragraph he wrote

1172
00:42:12,710 --> 00:42:08,880
because

1173
00:42:16,309 --> 00:42:12,720
uh tony actually uh kicks around a few

1174
00:42:16,950 --> 00:42:16,319
uh uh innuendos here that i think are

1175
00:42:18,710 --> 00:42:16,960
unfair

1176
00:42:20,150 --> 00:42:18,720
to linda moulton howe and i'll tell you

1177
00:42:23,030 --> 00:42:20,160
why

1178
00:42:23,990 --> 00:42:23,040
because she had that material already

1179
00:42:26,309 --> 00:42:24,000
forensically

1180
00:42:27,109 --> 00:42:26,319
examined i am going to have to give her

1181
00:42:29,349 --> 00:42:27,119
the benefit

1182
00:42:30,710 --> 00:42:29,359
of the doubt that she actually probably

1183
00:42:32,550 --> 00:42:30,720
did talk about

1184
00:42:33,990 --> 00:42:32,560
uh something in relation to isotopic

1185
00:42:37,190 --> 00:42:34,000
ratio analysis and

1186
00:42:39,349 --> 00:42:37,200
for him to actually say that he wondered

1187
00:42:42,470 --> 00:42:39,359
whether she even knew what

1188
00:42:45,190 --> 00:42:42,480
such testing was is unfair to her

1189
00:42:47,270 --> 00:42:45,200
i don't think that is an actual uh fair

1190
00:42:49,670 --> 00:42:47,280
or judicious thing to say

1191
00:42:51,349 --> 00:42:49,680
and i think it actually happens your

1192
00:42:52,950 --> 00:42:51,359
broads are always sticking together good

1193
00:42:54,950 --> 00:42:52,960
luck

1194
00:42:56,069 --> 00:42:54,960
i think it casts a negative light

1195
00:42:59,349 --> 00:42:56,079
unnecessarily

1196
00:43:00,790 --> 00:42:59,359
upon her that is not justified and then

1197
00:43:03,829 --> 00:43:00,800
he goes on to say

1198
00:43:06,790 --> 00:43:03,839
she was evasive and directly answering

1199
00:43:09,030 --> 00:43:06,800
i guess certain questions or statements

1200
00:43:12,150 --> 00:43:09,040
he was bringing up he was hoping for her

1201
00:43:13,589 --> 00:43:12,160
to actually be more direct regarding

1202
00:43:15,750 --> 00:43:13,599
certain things he was bringing to her

1203
00:43:16,630 --> 00:43:15,760
attention is my assumption here i don't

1204
00:43:18,710 --> 00:43:16,640
think that's

1205
00:43:20,790 --> 00:43:18,720
you know an unfair thing to say and what

1206
00:43:23,589 --> 00:43:20,800
i have to say about that is

1207
00:43:25,829 --> 00:43:23,599
maybe it was none of his business

1208
00:43:26,790 --> 00:43:25,839
whatever it was he was bringing up i'm

1209
00:43:29,750 --> 00:43:26,800
going to go ahead

1210
00:43:32,550 --> 00:43:29,760
hold on okay okay okay when people have

1211
00:43:34,710 --> 00:43:32,560
brought up certain topics to me

1212
00:43:35,990 --> 00:43:34,720
and you know me frank we've known each

1213
00:43:39,349 --> 00:43:36,000
other for a while you're like

1214
00:43:41,430 --> 00:43:39,359
okay so uh what i would like to say is

1215
00:43:42,550 --> 00:43:41,440
when people bring up certain topics to

1216
00:43:46,230 --> 00:43:42,560
me

1217
00:43:47,910 --> 00:43:46,240
i don't care how uh intellectual or

1218
00:43:50,950 --> 00:43:47,920
non-intellectual they are

1219
00:43:54,710 --> 00:43:50,960
or how academic or non-academic they are

1220
00:43:57,589 --> 00:43:54,720
or how dumb or seemingly

1221
00:43:58,950 --> 00:43:57,599
genius related they are if i don't want

1222
00:44:02,950 --> 00:43:58,960
to talk about it

1223
00:44:03,349 --> 00:44:02,960
i won't why because if at times i feel

1224
00:44:05,910 --> 00:44:03,359
it's

1225
00:44:07,910 --> 00:44:05,920
none of that person's business i will

1226
00:44:08,390 --> 00:44:07,920
not say anything about it or i will tell

1227
00:44:11,030 --> 00:44:08,400
them

1228
00:44:13,030 --> 00:44:11,040
i don't want to talk about it now i'm

1229
00:44:16,069 --> 00:44:13,040
not sure that that applies here though

1230
00:44:18,230 --> 00:44:16,079
no hold on because it's been

1231
00:44:19,910 --> 00:44:18,240
it's been talked about it has been

1232
00:44:20,390 --> 00:44:19,920
talked about in great detail i have to

1233
00:44:24,230 --> 00:44:20,400
give

1234
00:44:25,270 --> 00:44:24,240
linda moulton how the benefit of the

1235
00:44:29,270 --> 00:44:25,280
doubt here

1236
00:44:29,829 --> 00:44:29,280
because one person is demanding to know

1237
00:44:32,390 --> 00:44:29,839
something

1238
00:44:34,309 --> 00:44:32,400
or they're insistent or being aggressive

1239
00:44:35,030 --> 00:44:34,319
or they're just being inquisitive about

1240
00:44:38,790 --> 00:44:35,040
it

1241
00:44:39,829 --> 00:44:38,800
does not equal their having license to

1242
00:44:42,309 --> 00:44:39,839
know

1243
00:44:43,829 --> 00:44:42,319
what they're being inquisitive about

1244
00:44:46,950 --> 00:44:43,839
that does not mean they are

1245
00:44:49,270 --> 00:44:46,960
owed an answer so if she was being

1246
00:44:50,230 --> 00:44:49,280
seemingly evasive as he put it towards

1247
00:44:52,230 --> 00:44:50,240
him

1248
00:44:53,349 --> 00:44:52,240
maybe it's because she felt she had the

1249
00:44:55,430 --> 00:44:53,359
right to be

1250
00:44:56,710 --> 00:44:55,440
and it could be it could be but i'm also

1251
00:44:59,109 --> 00:44:56,720
going to put this out here

1252
00:45:00,950 --> 00:44:59,119
because tony is known as a guy who has

1253
00:45:03,750 --> 00:45:00,960
been looking at the materials

1254
00:45:05,030 --> 00:45:03,760
aspect of the roswell crash and what's

1255
00:45:07,109 --> 00:45:05,040
happened afterwards

1256
00:45:08,790 --> 00:45:07,119
for a long time now and she may have

1257
00:45:10,150 --> 00:45:08,800
felt a little bit she had to say

1258
00:45:12,309 --> 00:45:10,160
anything either

1259
00:45:14,150 --> 00:45:12,319
no but uh because it because it's

1260
00:45:15,910 --> 00:45:14,160
because it's tony because he's done his

1261
00:45:17,109 --> 00:45:15,920
homework on this sort of stuff and knows

1262
00:45:18,710 --> 00:45:17,119
it pretty well

1263
00:45:20,870 --> 00:45:18,720
that that she may have felt a little bit

1264
00:45:23,430 --> 00:45:20,880
defensive because it wasn't there

1265
00:45:24,790 --> 00:45:23,440
we don't know that something like that

1266
00:45:28,309 --> 00:45:24,800
not only that

1267
00:45:29,990 --> 00:45:28,319
but you know look we don't know what was

1268
00:45:31,670 --> 00:45:30,000
going on in her head when he was

1269
00:45:33,750 --> 00:45:31,680
asking her these questions he already

1270
00:45:36,470 --> 00:45:33,760
admitted that he was bringing up

1271
00:45:38,950 --> 00:45:36,480
a topic to her attention and he slipped

1272
00:45:40,790 --> 00:45:38,960
it into the conversation

1273
00:45:43,510 --> 00:45:40,800
after having brought up something else

1274
00:45:46,630 --> 00:45:43,520
so that sounds like an interesting

1275
00:45:47,829 --> 00:45:46,640
tactic to me too

1276
00:45:49,990 --> 00:45:47,839
you're doing the same thing you're

1277
00:45:52,630 --> 00:45:50,000
accusing him oh it's a tactic it's like

1278
00:45:54,230 --> 00:45:52,640
oh come on chad he already admitted that

1279
00:45:54,630 --> 00:45:54,240
he was talking to her about something

1280
00:45:57,109 --> 00:45:54,640
and he

1281
00:45:58,630 --> 00:45:57,119
slipped in like you and i both haven't

1282
00:46:00,390 --> 00:45:58,640
talked to people say well since i'm

1283
00:46:00,950 --> 00:46:00,400
talking to you anyway how about this

1284
00:46:02,790 --> 00:46:00,960
other thing

1285
00:46:04,230 --> 00:46:02,800
you know that that kind of thing goes

1286
00:46:05,270 --> 00:46:04,240
all the time but

1287
00:46:06,790 --> 00:46:05,280
you're not you're not getting you're not

1288
00:46:07,430 --> 00:46:06,800
giving you're not giving tony the

1289
00:46:10,309 --> 00:46:07,440
benefit of

1290
00:46:12,550 --> 00:46:10,319
that i'm fine if he is guilty of that i

1291
00:46:15,589 --> 00:46:12,560
really don't care i'll tell you why

1292
00:46:17,430 --> 00:46:15,599
i still think that his innuendo

1293
00:46:20,069 --> 00:46:17,440
here which is casting her in a negative

1294
00:46:23,829 --> 00:46:20,079
light an unfair light

1295
00:46:26,309 --> 00:46:23,839
um doesn't give her the the the fair

1296
00:46:27,109 --> 00:46:26,319
uh benefit of the doubt that i would

1297
00:46:30,069 --> 00:46:27,119
hope

1298
00:46:30,710 --> 00:46:30,079
that a writer would give to anybody and

1299
00:46:35,109 --> 00:46:30,720
so

1300
00:46:38,069 --> 00:46:35,119
lot of this article

1301
00:46:39,270 --> 00:46:38,079
is at the expense of people i'll tell

1302
00:46:40,790 --> 00:46:39,280
you why

1303
00:46:42,790 --> 00:46:40,800
because a lot of it is claim

1304
00:46:45,190 --> 00:46:42,800
claim-related not all of it

1305
00:46:46,069 --> 00:46:45,200
is fact-based there's there are facts in

1306
00:46:49,030 --> 00:46:46,079
there i mean he

1307
00:46:51,030 --> 00:46:49,040
is i'm not saying there's not right he

1308
00:46:52,470 --> 00:46:51,040
says he's editorializing within the

1309
00:46:54,309 --> 00:46:52,480
context of the story there's no

1310
00:46:57,109 --> 00:46:54,319
i do the same thing you do the same

1311
00:46:59,910 --> 00:46:57,119
thing you know

1312
00:47:01,510 --> 00:46:59,920
um so i think i think it's important i

1313
00:47:04,230 --> 00:47:01,520
think it's important that you know

1314
00:47:05,510 --> 00:47:04,240
we not only uh bring facts you just want

1315
00:47:07,750 --> 00:47:05,520
to be clear about

1316
00:47:08,710 --> 00:47:07,760
these are the facts this is you know

1317
00:47:10,630 --> 00:47:08,720
this is where i'm

1318
00:47:12,870 --> 00:47:10,640
i'm speculating here this is where well

1319
00:47:15,270 --> 00:47:12,880
yeah i am categorizing some things here

1320
00:47:17,589 --> 00:47:15,280
let me share a little bit of speculation

1321
00:47:18,470 --> 00:47:17,599
that an innuendo that he makes here and

1322
00:47:21,109 --> 00:47:18,480
that is

1323
00:47:22,309 --> 00:47:21,119
a sentence he says but de long's true

1324
00:47:24,230 --> 00:47:22,319
ufo research

1325
00:47:26,870 --> 00:47:24,240
motives can be found in a need for

1326
00:47:29,589 --> 00:47:26,880
continued fame and a need for money

1327
00:47:31,589 --> 00:47:29,599
to maintain an accustomed lifestyle he's

1328
00:47:34,390 --> 00:47:31,599
beginning to sound like his dad

1329
00:47:34,950 --> 00:47:34,400
how would he even know if any of that is

1330
00:47:37,829 --> 00:47:34,960
true

1331
00:47:38,790 --> 00:47:37,839
now people can say ah come on really you

1332
00:47:41,109 --> 00:47:38,800
know what

1333
00:47:43,349 --> 00:47:41,119
you can say that but that does not mean

1334
00:47:47,030 --> 00:47:43,359
this sentence is based on fact

1335
00:47:53,030 --> 00:47:50,630
and it's also at his expense

1336
00:47:54,470 --> 00:47:53,040
that's his analysis uh i don't think uh

1337
00:47:57,829 --> 00:47:54,480
tom

1338
00:48:02,150 --> 00:47:57,839
that is a claim that cannot be proven

1339
00:48:07,670 --> 00:48:05,270
well as far as the long's

1340
00:48:10,069 --> 00:48:07,680
money goes i'm sure he made a lot of

1341
00:48:13,670 --> 00:48:10,079
money with blink 182

1342
00:48:15,349 --> 00:48:13,680
and uh you know i do know

1343
00:48:17,510 --> 00:48:15,359
it was in the news that he had gone

1344
00:48:20,710 --> 00:48:17,520
through a divorce within the last

1345
00:48:23,109 --> 00:48:20,720
year or so and uh sold his home

1346
00:48:24,870 --> 00:48:23,119
um you know where his home you know goes

1347
00:48:26,470 --> 00:48:24,880
on real estate and goes on zillow

1348
00:48:28,790 --> 00:48:26,480
so yeah you can take a look at i took a

1349
00:48:30,870 --> 00:48:28,800
look at it i mean it was surprisingly i

1350
00:48:33,430 --> 00:48:30,880
thought it was so surprisingly modest

1351
00:48:35,349 --> 00:48:33,440
for a rockstar kind of guy i don't think

1352
00:48:36,630 --> 00:48:35,359
that the long is not like one of these

1353
00:48:38,549 --> 00:48:36,640
i don't get the sense that he's one of

1354
00:48:39,589 --> 00:48:38,559
these crazy spenders you know what i

1355
00:48:42,630 --> 00:48:39,599
mean where he's got the

1356
00:48:43,510 --> 00:48:42,640
it you know it uh it was a obviously a

1357
00:48:45,589 --> 00:48:43,520
very nice how

1358
00:48:47,270 --> 00:48:45,599
nice upper middle class house and of

1359
00:48:49,030 --> 00:48:47,280
course because it was in san diego i

1360
00:48:50,950 --> 00:48:49,040
mean the price was pretty high i don't

1361
00:48:54,309 --> 00:48:50,960
think it was over a million dollars

1362
00:48:56,069 --> 00:48:54,319
but uh you know you get uh

1363
00:48:57,510 --> 00:48:56,079
i i think it was just on i think it was

1364
00:48:59,190 --> 00:48:57,520
maybe like in the eight nine hundred

1365
00:49:00,470 --> 00:48:59,200
thousand dollar range so that's what it

1366
00:49:03,510 --> 00:49:00,480
was on the market for

1367
00:49:05,349 --> 00:49:03,520
well it might sound odd to say but some

1368
00:49:07,430 --> 00:49:05,359
you know i which is obviously a lot i

1369
00:49:08,390 --> 00:49:07,440
don't think it's unrealistic to assume

1370
00:49:10,390 --> 00:49:08,400
that folks who

1371
00:49:13,510 --> 00:49:10,400
who make it so to speak they become

1372
00:49:16,390 --> 00:49:13,520
ultra famous known worldwide you know uh

1373
00:49:18,309 --> 00:49:16,400
everybody is idolizing idolizing them or

1374
00:49:20,630 --> 00:49:18,319
not but they're still well known

1375
00:49:22,390 --> 00:49:20,640
it's not unusual for folks who come into

1376
00:49:24,950 --> 00:49:22,400
money and fame to want to live

1377
00:49:25,510 --> 00:49:24,960
in certain areas that very few can

1378
00:49:27,990 --> 00:49:25,520
afford

1379
00:49:29,270 --> 00:49:28,000
for security purposes to keep them safe

1380
00:49:31,510 --> 00:49:29,280
yeah i don't even think the place is

1381
00:49:33,589 --> 00:49:31,520
like that i apologize for that

1382
00:49:34,950 --> 00:49:33,599
another thing i'd like to mention is

1383
00:49:38,230 --> 00:49:34,960
there's a sentence here

1384
00:49:41,910 --> 00:49:38,240
in his article and uh it states but most

1385
00:49:44,549 --> 00:49:41,920
disturbing is this at least one of tsa's

1386
00:49:45,670 --> 00:49:44,559
board members has a history of and i'm

1387
00:49:48,470 --> 00:49:45,680
going somewhere with this

1388
00:49:49,030 --> 00:49:48,480
a lot of likely illegal business

1389
00:49:50,870 --> 00:49:49,040
dealings

1390
00:49:52,309 --> 00:49:50,880
involving securing people's money in

1391
00:49:54,230 --> 00:49:52,319
return for nothing now you already went

1392
00:49:55,670 --> 00:49:54,240
over this a little bit but hold on

1393
00:49:57,750 --> 00:49:55,680
this board member appears to be the

1394
00:50:00,230 --> 00:49:57,760
driving force behind the organization

1395
00:50:00,790 --> 00:50:00,240
and he is applying his unsavory business

1396
00:50:03,670 --> 00:50:00,800
skills

1397
00:50:05,349 --> 00:50:03,680
quotes air quotes to help ttsa secure

1398
00:50:06,549 --> 00:50:05,359
contracts and boost sales now i just

1399
00:50:09,030 --> 00:50:06,559
wanted to go ahead

1400
00:50:09,750 --> 00:50:09,040
and break this apart just a little bit

1401
00:50:12,950 --> 00:50:09,760
it says

1402
00:50:15,750 --> 00:50:12,960
but most disturbing is this at least one

1403
00:50:19,030 --> 00:50:15,760
of ttsa's board members has a history of

1404
00:50:22,069 --> 00:50:19,040
likely illegal business dealings

1405
00:50:26,069 --> 00:50:22,079
involving and he gives a list now

1406
00:50:28,710 --> 00:50:26,079
look we don't know

1407
00:50:29,670 --> 00:50:28,720
if it's really true that anything

1408
00:50:32,710 --> 00:50:29,680
illegal

1409
00:50:38,829 --> 00:50:32,720
has happened so i think that that is

1410
00:50:42,790 --> 00:50:39,990
fact

1411
00:50:44,230 --> 00:50:42,800
he's that it's his analysis it's his

1412
00:50:53,990 --> 00:50:44,240
analysis

1413
00:50:55,589 --> 00:50:54,000
i'm looking at this guy and i wouldn't

1414
00:50:57,670 --> 00:50:55,599
invest time one with him

1415
00:50:59,750 --> 00:50:57,680
i wouldn't invest yeah i wouldn't invest

1416
00:51:00,470 --> 00:50:59,760
with uh ttsa either and a lot of people

1417
00:51:03,589 --> 00:51:00,480
did

1418
00:51:06,950 --> 00:51:03,599
uh and i mean that

1419
00:51:08,390 --> 00:51:06,960
that that's basically yeah you know

1420
00:51:11,109 --> 00:51:08,400
you know and i do think it's

1421
00:51:12,470 --> 00:51:11,119
questionable uh questionable enough that

1422
00:51:14,390 --> 00:51:12,480
uh some of these things that they've

1423
00:51:15,910 --> 00:51:14,400
been involved with are uh questionable

1424
00:51:18,710 --> 00:51:15,920
enough that they merit

1425
00:51:19,349 --> 00:51:18,720
you know they merit a response you know

1426
00:51:20,870 --> 00:51:19,359
now

1427
00:51:22,470 --> 00:51:20,880
they will try to get that christopher

1428
00:51:23,030 --> 00:51:22,480
miser on the show and he can explain all

1429
00:51:24,870 --> 00:51:23,040
of me

1430
00:51:26,150 --> 00:51:24,880
and you know you never know and i think

1431
00:51:28,549 --> 00:51:26,160
it's good

1432
00:51:30,069 --> 00:51:28,559
to give him a fair shot you know the the

1433
00:51:32,309 --> 00:51:30,079
benefit of the doubt now

1434
00:51:33,750 --> 00:51:32,319
i would love to talk to tony but he's

1435
00:51:36,950 --> 00:51:33,760
not available to talk to

1436
00:51:39,670 --> 00:51:36,960
like i i can't reach for myself but

1437
00:51:41,190 --> 00:51:39,680
anyway i'm going to send him the link to

1438
00:51:43,109 --> 00:51:41,200
this show and he can have a listen

1439
00:51:45,270 --> 00:51:43,119
i know he will absolutely listen to it

1440
00:51:46,630 --> 00:51:45,280
and perhaps he can respond to some of

1441
00:51:47,750 --> 00:51:46,640
the things i'm about to say like this

1442
00:51:52,309 --> 00:51:47,760
one thing here

1443
00:51:54,790 --> 00:51:52,319
somehow he says ttsa has wrangled a 750

1444
00:51:56,309 --> 00:51:54,800
000 government contract which to me is

1445
00:51:58,390 --> 00:51:56,319
rather concerning

1446
00:52:00,470 --> 00:51:58,400
um the u.s army recently announced that

1447
00:52:02,069 --> 00:52:00,480
is partnering with ttsa to sharing sites

1448
00:52:03,430 --> 00:52:02,079
of potential interest relating to novel

1449
00:52:05,510 --> 00:52:03,440
power technologies

1450
00:52:06,790 --> 00:52:05,520
and goes on to explain it it is

1451
00:52:10,710 --> 00:52:06,800
remarkable

1452
00:52:11,670 --> 00:52:10,720
backgrounds of the players and the many

1453
00:52:14,150 --> 00:52:11,680
other

1454
00:52:15,750 --> 00:52:14,160
issues in air quotes with ttsa before

1455
00:52:17,910 --> 00:52:15,760
agreeing to a payout

1456
00:52:20,150 --> 00:52:17,920
to them i mean i think that deal was

1457
00:52:23,030 --> 00:52:20,160
hooked up before miser joined so there's

1458
00:52:23,430 --> 00:52:23,040
okay okay thank you very much um what

1459
00:52:25,349 --> 00:52:23,440
thanks

1460
00:52:26,790 --> 00:52:25,359
meiser just joined this year and the

1461
00:52:28,950 --> 00:52:26,800
same thing with the the uh the

1462
00:52:30,309 --> 00:52:28,960
therapeutic solutions company mizer just

1463
00:52:31,829 --> 00:52:30,319
joined them this year

1464
00:52:33,349 --> 00:52:31,839
and this sort of thing has been going on

1465
00:52:35,430 --> 00:52:33,359
as sort of predates but then

1466
00:52:37,030 --> 00:52:35,440
you know how much due diligence is miser

1467
00:52:37,910 --> 00:52:37,040
doing before joining this company you

1468
00:52:40,630 --> 00:52:37,920
know what i'm saying

1469
00:52:41,349 --> 00:52:40,640
i understood now it's still still uh

1470
00:52:44,470 --> 00:52:41,359
like i said i

1471
00:52:46,710 --> 00:52:44,480
you know it's like i don't know i think

1472
00:52:48,470 --> 00:52:46,720
merits a closer look that's all it does

1473
00:52:48,950 --> 00:52:48,480
and i wanted to mention a few things

1474
00:52:52,710 --> 00:52:48,960
here

1475
00:52:56,230 --> 00:52:52,720
he says somehow ttsa has wrangled

1476
00:52:57,829 --> 00:52:56,240
a 750 000 contract government contract

1477
00:53:00,549 --> 00:52:57,839
which is rather concerning

1478
00:53:04,150 --> 00:53:00,559
now you're going to micromanage his

1479
00:53:07,670 --> 00:53:07,030
these are words that he is using to go

1480
00:53:10,549 --> 00:53:07,680
ahead and

1481
00:53:11,589 --> 00:53:10,559
take a picture and put people out or

1482
00:53:13,990 --> 00:53:11,599
organizations

1483
00:53:14,790 --> 00:53:14,000
in a certain organization in a certain

1484
00:53:17,990 --> 00:53:14,800
light

1485
00:53:19,750 --> 00:53:18,000
and uh of course uh going along the

1486
00:53:21,430 --> 00:53:19,760
innuendos in this article

1487
00:53:22,630 --> 00:53:21,440
it's not a positive light now i'm not

1488
00:53:24,950 --> 00:53:22,640
saying he's supposed to write a glowing

1489
00:53:27,510 --> 00:53:24,960
article it's not i am not saying that

1490
00:53:28,549 --> 00:53:27,520
however if you're going to write an

1491
00:53:30,870 --> 00:53:28,559
article

1492
00:53:32,390 --> 00:53:30,880
have some facts to back up some of these

1493
00:53:33,910 --> 00:53:32,400
well the facts are in there some of the

1494
00:53:35,990 --> 00:53:33,920
facts i contributed

1495
00:53:37,670 --> 00:53:36,000
i am going to go ahead and finish making

1496
00:53:42,309 --> 00:53:37,680
my point and that is

1497
00:53:44,470 --> 00:53:42,319
when he says ttsa wrangled a 750 000

1498
00:53:45,589 --> 00:53:44,480
government contract and it's concerning

1499
00:53:49,829 --> 00:53:45,599
to him

1500
00:53:51,430 --> 00:53:49,839
uh i don't see why they being ttsa

1501
00:53:53,750 --> 00:53:51,440
should have to apologize for that

1502
00:53:57,270 --> 00:53:53,760
government contract

1503
00:53:59,910 --> 00:53:57,280
they they did that and obviously uh

1504
00:54:01,190 --> 00:53:59,920
in well it's not not a question of

1505
00:54:03,349 --> 00:54:01,200
apologizing

1506
00:54:04,790 --> 00:54:03,359
but again some of the stuff that was

1507
00:54:07,910 --> 00:54:04,800
turned up here

1508
00:54:09,349 --> 00:54:07,920
merits a further explanation

1509
00:54:11,270 --> 00:54:09,359
well i don't think they should have to

1510
00:54:13,349 --> 00:54:11,280
explain that what is there to explain

1511
00:54:14,790 --> 00:54:13,359
they got the contract they they got the

1512
00:54:15,270 --> 00:54:14,800
contract there you go they got the

1513
00:54:18,870 --> 00:54:15,280
credit

1514
00:54:20,710 --> 00:54:18,880
what's the big deal now it says the us

1515
00:54:23,109 --> 00:54:20,720
army recently announced is partnering

1516
00:54:24,309 --> 00:54:23,119
with ttsa to share insights and they go

1517
00:54:28,230 --> 00:54:24,319
on

1518
00:54:29,990 --> 00:54:28,240
remarkable

1519
00:54:31,750 --> 00:54:30,000
that the army did not vet the

1520
00:54:32,470 --> 00:54:31,760
backgrounds of the players and the many

1521
00:54:34,870 --> 00:54:32,480
other

1522
00:54:36,230 --> 00:54:34,880
issues with ttsa before agreeing to a

1523
00:54:39,109 --> 00:54:36,240
payout to them

1524
00:54:39,750 --> 00:54:39,119
how does how in the world would tony

1525
00:54:43,750 --> 00:54:39,760
know

1526
00:54:46,710 --> 00:54:43,760
whether the u.s army

1527
00:54:47,910 --> 00:54:46,720
did or did not vet anyone he does not

1528
00:54:50,549 --> 00:54:47,920
know

1529
00:54:52,230 --> 00:54:50,559
i don't think the us army talks to tony

1530
00:54:53,030 --> 00:54:52,240
we'll see you now you see in relation to

1531
00:54:54,390 --> 00:54:53,040
miser

1532
00:54:56,069 --> 00:54:54,400
what they should have done is gotten

1533
00:54:57,990 --> 00:54:56,079
hold of uh some of their

1534
00:54:59,349 --> 00:54:58,000
uh some of their remote viewers and done

1535
00:55:01,430 --> 00:54:59,359
a foreground check on

1536
00:55:03,109 --> 00:55:01,440
ttsa to see whether or not they would

1537
00:55:05,990 --> 00:55:03,119
hire miser down the road

1538
00:55:07,270 --> 00:55:06,000
i'm just saying i that's all don't see

1539
00:55:09,910 --> 00:55:07,280
how he can say

1540
00:55:11,750 --> 00:55:09,920
that the us army he finds it remarkable

1541
00:55:13,109 --> 00:55:11,760
that they did not vet he says that in a

1542
00:55:15,109 --> 00:55:13,119
very factual manner

1543
00:55:16,390 --> 00:55:15,119
there is nothing to back well i i

1544
00:55:18,630 --> 00:55:16,400
believe well okay then

1545
00:55:20,069 --> 00:55:18,640
there here's a that here is actually a

1546
00:55:21,829 --> 00:55:20,079
legitimate legitimate

1547
00:55:23,750 --> 00:55:21,839
criticism unless he's talking about the

1548
00:55:24,390 --> 00:55:23,760
long but if he's talking in respect to

1549
00:55:26,230 --> 00:55:24,400
miser

1550
00:55:28,710 --> 00:55:26,240
that they had that deal together before

1551
00:55:29,270 --> 00:55:28,720
miser came on so obviously unless like i

1552
00:55:31,910 --> 00:55:29,280
said

1553
00:55:33,190 --> 00:55:31,920
they used their remote viewers yeah to

1554
00:55:35,109 --> 00:55:33,200
see if they were going to

1555
00:55:36,470 --> 00:55:35,119
bring this guy on down the road they

1556
00:55:38,950 --> 00:55:36,480
couldn't have known that

1557
00:55:40,069 --> 00:55:38,960
because it hadn't happened yet so yeah

1558
00:55:42,950 --> 00:55:40,079
anyway look i

1559
00:55:44,309 --> 00:55:42,960
and i i know this is uh quite laughable

1560
00:55:47,190 --> 00:55:44,319
what i'm about to say but

1561
00:55:48,630 --> 00:55:47,200
there is there are so many innuendos and

1562
00:55:50,950 --> 00:55:48,640
claims and this is the first time for

1563
00:55:55,670 --> 00:55:50,960
everything i could spend hours

1564
00:55:58,230 --> 00:55:55,680
going over why they are devoid effects

1565
00:55:59,589 --> 00:55:58,240
and i just think that what he's doing is

1566
00:56:02,470 --> 00:55:59,599
uh

1567
00:56:03,430 --> 00:56:02,480
creating sort of a conspiracy type of

1568
00:56:05,829 --> 00:56:03,440
story here

1569
00:56:07,910 --> 00:56:05,839
i think well some of this other stuff is

1570
00:56:10,390 --> 00:56:07,920
uh you know the the tsoi

1571
00:56:11,589 --> 00:56:10,400
stuff uh the vivarius capital stuff is

1572
00:56:14,549 --> 00:56:11,599
uh

1573
00:56:15,750 --> 00:56:14,559
when it's all added together it paints a

1574
00:56:18,789 --> 00:56:15,760
uh

1575
00:56:20,870 --> 00:56:18,799
enough of a picture that it merits a

1576
00:56:22,390 --> 00:56:20,880
it merits a further explanation well so

1577
00:56:24,230 --> 00:56:22,400
what i would i'll steal that i'll steal

1578
00:56:24,950 --> 00:56:24,240
that line from the san diego union

1579
00:56:27,109 --> 00:56:24,960
tribune

1580
00:56:30,309 --> 00:56:27,119
i would have posed an awful lot of what

1581
00:56:33,030 --> 00:56:30,319
he posed as

1582
00:56:34,870 --> 00:56:33,040
innuendo as just questions rather than

1583
00:56:37,430 --> 00:56:34,880
implying something negative

1584
00:56:38,710 --> 00:56:37,440
and at the end you know and that we had

1585
00:56:41,670 --> 00:56:38,720
we had this discussion

1586
00:56:42,309 --> 00:56:41,680
fairly recently where uh we were talking

1587
00:56:45,589 --> 00:56:42,319
about

1588
00:56:47,270 --> 00:56:45,599
yeah we're all independents uh and we

1589
00:56:49,510 --> 00:56:47,280
yeah i mean we go back and forth once in

1590
00:56:50,710 --> 00:56:49,520
a while but you know he didn't send me

1591
00:56:53,030 --> 00:56:50,720
an advanced copy like

1592
00:56:53,990 --> 00:56:53,040
hey you know go over this what do you

1593
00:56:56,390 --> 00:56:54,000
think what do you think

1594
00:56:58,230 --> 00:56:56,400
we just passed some facts what i passed

1595
00:56:58,870 --> 00:56:58,240
was facts to him and then he took those

1596
00:57:01,589 --> 00:56:58,880
facts and

1597
00:57:02,789 --> 00:57:01,599
and uh frankly i i here we've gone into

1598
00:57:04,390 --> 00:57:02,799
a little bit more detail

1599
00:57:06,069 --> 00:57:04,400
he got all that detail and didn't

1600
00:57:07,750 --> 00:57:06,079
include all of it but we went into a

1601
00:57:10,150 --> 00:57:07,760
little bit more detail here

1602
00:57:11,910 --> 00:57:10,160
than he went into in his article and you

1603
00:57:14,230 --> 00:57:11,920
know i think the material that i turned

1604
00:57:14,710 --> 00:57:14,240
up was factual and yeah i i still think

1605
00:57:18,549 --> 00:57:14,720
it

1606
00:57:20,390 --> 00:57:18,559
based on what i've seen of this guy

1607
00:57:21,589 --> 00:57:20,400
i wouldn't invest in dime one with them

1608
00:57:24,390 --> 00:57:21,599
but you know

1609
00:57:26,069 --> 00:57:24,400
well so there are there is no evidence

1610
00:57:29,750 --> 00:57:26,079
to support

1611
00:57:32,470 --> 00:57:29,760
some of the claims of this article now

1612
00:57:34,630 --> 00:57:32,480
facts can be refuted cannot be refuted

1613
00:57:37,829 --> 00:57:34,640
facts cannot be refuted but claims can

1614
00:57:39,750 --> 00:57:37,839
so i'm just saying i do have an issue

1615
00:57:41,270 --> 00:57:39,760
with this article i do not agree with it

1616
00:57:43,270 --> 00:57:41,280
in its totality

1617
00:57:45,430 --> 00:57:43,280
and that's my take on it well i don't

1618
00:57:46,870 --> 00:57:45,440
agree with it that's totality i mean

1619
00:57:48,230 --> 00:57:46,880
i don't agree with everything you write

1620
00:57:48,950 --> 00:57:48,240
you're and i'm sure you don't agree with

1621
00:57:50,630 --> 00:57:48,960
everything i do

1622
00:57:52,230 --> 00:57:50,640
that that's a part of the game we're

1623
00:57:52,829 --> 00:57:52,240
going to disagree on the things here and

1624
00:57:54,950 --> 00:57:52,839
there

1625
00:57:57,190 --> 00:57:54,960
but is unfortunate that it is at the

1626
00:57:58,950 --> 00:57:57,200
expense of various individuals

1627
00:58:00,470 --> 00:57:58,960
to cast them in a negative light without

1628
00:58:03,589 --> 00:58:00,480
the facts to back them up

1629
00:58:05,589 --> 00:58:03,599
i'm not saying on all of the article 100

1630
00:58:06,710 --> 00:58:05,599
saying in various aspects of the article

1631
00:58:08,230 --> 00:58:06,720
it's unfortunate

1632
00:58:09,990 --> 00:58:08,240
because i don't think linda moulton how

1633
00:58:12,710 --> 00:58:10,000
deserved that kind of criticism

1634
00:58:14,390 --> 00:58:12,720
because there is nothing to back up what

1635
00:58:16,549 --> 00:58:14,400
he is saying about her

1636
00:58:18,870 --> 00:58:16,559
it sounds like he's just whining and

1637
00:58:20,150 --> 00:58:18,880
upset that she did not want to reveal

1638
00:58:21,750 --> 00:58:20,160
any information to him

1639
00:58:23,349 --> 00:58:21,760
on topics that he brought to her

1640
00:58:25,430 --> 00:58:23,359
attention and

1641
00:58:27,030 --> 00:58:25,440
as a result he wrote her off saying oh

1642
00:58:28,069 --> 00:58:27,040
well she must not be an expert on that

1643
00:58:30,470 --> 00:58:28,079
scientifica

1644
00:58:31,270 --> 00:58:30,480
related topic i brought up to her which

1645
00:58:33,270 --> 00:58:31,280
is well she's

1646
00:58:35,510 --> 00:58:33,280
well she's not an expert i'm not an

1647
00:58:37,910 --> 00:58:35,520
expert on it either neither are you

1648
00:58:39,349 --> 00:58:37,920
well none of us are he's not an expert

1649
00:58:41,829 --> 00:58:39,359
on it either but you know

1650
00:58:43,829 --> 00:58:41,839
he's he has focused on that particular

1651
00:58:45,510 --> 00:58:43,839
aspect of the subject and then knows it

1652
00:58:47,349 --> 00:58:45,520
well

1653
00:58:48,549 --> 00:58:47,359
again i don't think but i wouldn't

1654
00:58:51,510 --> 00:58:48,559
describe knows

1655
00:58:53,349 --> 00:58:51,520
well is not the same as expert knows it

1656
00:58:55,589 --> 00:58:53,359
well

1657
00:58:57,829 --> 00:58:55,599
i just think that it's uh unfortunate

1658
00:59:01,670 --> 00:58:57,839
analysis of linda molten howe that has

1659
00:59:06,309 --> 00:59:03,670
now all right so let's uh we've we've

1660
00:59:09,750 --> 00:59:06,319
gone on for 45 minutes about have we

1661
00:59:10,549 --> 00:59:09,760
yes we have 45 minutes chad all right so

1662
00:59:13,349 --> 00:59:10,559
i'm gonna wrap

1663
00:59:14,950 --> 00:59:13,359
you know what i'm gonna hang on a sec

1664
00:59:17,270 --> 00:59:14,960
where am i oops

1665
00:59:19,270 --> 00:59:17,280
i'm on the wrong thing hang on a sec

1666
00:59:21,910 --> 00:59:19,280
there we go i missed clicked

1667
00:59:23,670 --> 00:59:21,920
uh you know what we're not even gonna uh

1668
00:59:25,990 --> 00:59:23,680
uh okay uh we talked a little bit about

1669
00:59:29,510 --> 00:59:26,000
investing and uh making a few bucks

1670
00:59:31,670 --> 00:59:29,520
and actually believe it or not uh there

1671
00:59:33,109 --> 00:59:31,680
there might well be a down the road some

1672
00:59:35,349 --> 00:59:33,119
legitimate uh

1673
00:59:36,549 --> 00:59:35,359
a good return on investment uh kind of

1674
00:59:38,390 --> 00:59:36,559
investments down the road

1675
00:59:39,670 --> 00:59:38,400
i'm not even gonna open up this can of

1676
00:59:41,990 --> 00:59:39,680
worms on this show but we'll

1677
00:59:43,349 --> 00:59:42,000
we'll talk about it in more detail there

1678
00:59:46,470 --> 00:59:43,359
is a ufo

1679
00:59:47,990 --> 00:59:46,480
etf basically uh an etf i guess

1680
00:59:50,230 --> 00:59:48,000
uh for folks who don't know what that

1681
00:59:54,630 --> 00:59:50,240
means it's sort of a a mutual fund

1682
00:59:58,950 --> 00:59:56,309
would that be do you think that would be

1683
01:00:02,390 --> 00:59:58,960
a reasonable explanation for what an etf

1684
01:00:04,870 --> 01:00:02,400
is chant sure okay okay i mean

1685
01:00:05,829 --> 01:00:04,880
it's in equity just like uh you know

1686
01:00:08,549 --> 01:00:05,839
stocks are

1687
01:00:09,670 --> 01:00:08,559
and then so an etf an example of an etf

1688
01:00:11,910 --> 01:00:09,680
uh might be

1689
01:00:13,270 --> 01:00:11,920
like if you were to look up vanguard uh

1690
01:00:15,990 --> 01:00:13,280
that name it's uh

1691
01:00:18,150 --> 01:00:16,000
not not all vanguard uh etfs are the

1692
01:00:19,430 --> 01:00:18,160
same vanguard related association or

1693
01:00:21,670 --> 01:00:19,440
organization but

1694
01:00:22,789 --> 01:00:21,680
uh you might look up an etf and it might

1695
01:00:25,430 --> 01:00:22,799
say okay we

1696
01:00:26,549 --> 01:00:25,440
have invested in the fang m stocks uh

1697
01:00:29,030 --> 01:00:26,559
which might be

1698
01:00:29,829 --> 01:00:29,040
uh facebook apple alphabet which is

1699
01:00:32,470 --> 01:00:29,839
google

1700
01:00:33,430 --> 01:00:32,480
um microsoft uh which is the m part of

1701
01:00:35,430 --> 01:00:33,440
the fang

1702
01:00:37,829 --> 01:00:35,440
and then let's see i'll just throw in

1703
01:00:41,270 --> 01:00:37,839
netflix there and then oh let's just say

1704
01:00:43,190 --> 01:00:41,280
berkshire hathaway uh uh the class b

1705
01:00:45,190 --> 01:00:43,200
stock not the class a because that's a

1706
01:00:48,150 --> 01:00:45,200
couple hundred thousand dollars or more

1707
01:00:49,270 --> 01:00:48,160
um but uh so what an etf might do is

1708
01:00:52,069 --> 01:00:49,280
they might invest in

1709
01:00:54,390 --> 01:00:52,079
certain stocks that people cannot afford

1710
01:00:56,230 --> 01:00:54,400
out of pocket to buy one of those stocks

1711
01:00:57,990 --> 01:00:56,240
because one of those stocks i'll give an

1712
01:00:59,349 --> 01:00:58,000
example let's just say they invest in

1713
01:01:03,270 --> 01:00:59,359
tesla and tesla's at

1714
01:01:05,430 --> 01:01:03,280
you know 538 or 600 dollars now

1715
01:01:07,670 --> 01:01:05,440
and they can't afford that stock but the

1716
01:01:09,910 --> 01:01:07,680
etf that invests in a lot of triple

1717
01:01:11,190 --> 01:01:09,920
digit related stocks or double digit

1718
01:01:13,430 --> 01:01:11,200
related stocks or

1719
01:01:15,430 --> 01:01:13,440
quadruple digit related stocks like

1720
01:01:15,829 --> 01:01:15,440
amazon for example which is part of the

1721
01:01:19,430 --> 01:01:15,839
fang

1722
01:01:21,349 --> 01:01:19,440
m stocks um i'm also known as a market

1723
01:01:23,109 --> 01:01:21,359
mover too

1724
01:01:24,390 --> 01:01:23,119
folks might be able to afford that

1725
01:01:29,190 --> 01:01:24,400
ninety dollar

1726
01:01:32,630 --> 01:01:29,200
or uh or or uh fifty dollar etf

1727
01:01:35,109 --> 01:01:32,640
that has millions of dollars invested in

1728
01:01:36,950 --> 01:01:35,119
all of these other stocks and so that

1729
01:01:38,630 --> 01:01:36,960
way they get a chance to have

1730
01:01:40,789 --> 01:01:38,640
part and parcel a little bit of

1731
01:01:43,510 --> 01:01:40,799
investment in each one of those yeah

1732
01:01:44,789 --> 01:01:43,520
it's a security type that some folks

1733
01:01:46,470 --> 01:01:44,799
might not be familiar with

1734
01:01:48,950 --> 01:01:46,480
but again to put it as simply as

1735
01:01:49,349 --> 01:01:48,960
possible it's essentially a mutual fund

1736
01:01:52,069 --> 01:01:49,359
where

1737
01:01:53,670 --> 01:01:52,079
uh the the etf manager buys this kind of

1738
01:01:56,309 --> 01:01:53,680
stock that kind of stuff

1739
01:01:58,470 --> 01:01:56,319
yeah there might be uh limits if it's a

1740
01:02:01,829 --> 01:01:58,480
particular type of etf like

1741
01:02:03,750 --> 01:02:01,839
uh some etfs mimic the dow jones

1742
01:02:06,230 --> 01:02:03,760
industrial average or the s p

1743
01:02:09,270 --> 01:02:06,240
500 or they might only invest in

1744
01:02:12,390 --> 01:02:09,280
financials or

1745
01:02:14,230 --> 01:02:12,400
material stocks but this is a an etf

1746
01:02:17,270 --> 01:02:14,240
that focuses on

1747
01:02:20,069 --> 01:02:17,280
things related to space they invest in

1748
01:02:21,990 --> 01:02:20,079
uh you know a virgin galactic uh

1749
01:02:22,470 --> 01:02:22,000
different defense stocks uh things like

1750
01:02:24,630 --> 01:02:22,480
that

1751
01:02:26,789 --> 01:02:24,640
and uh the the last month uh they were

1752
01:02:28,150 --> 01:02:26,799
up 20 and that hit the news so i thought

1753
01:02:30,230 --> 01:02:28,160
that was kind of interesting

1754
01:02:32,230 --> 01:02:30,240
and uh there you know there could well

1755
01:02:34,710 --> 01:02:32,240
be some real good potential for

1756
01:02:36,789 --> 01:02:34,720
investments down the road uh if

1757
01:02:39,589 --> 01:02:36,799
disclosure comes about

1758
01:02:41,589 --> 01:02:39,599
if uh possibly uh there are advances in

1759
01:02:42,309 --> 01:02:41,599
the things like metamaterials things

1760
01:02:45,349 --> 01:02:42,319
like that

1761
01:02:46,870 --> 01:02:45,359
uh that that might get folks a nice

1762
01:02:48,309 --> 01:02:46,880
return so it's something to think about

1763
01:02:49,990 --> 01:02:48,319
and that's something we'll probably uh

1764
01:02:51,349 --> 01:02:50,000
go into it yeah we'll go into some more

1765
01:02:52,710 --> 01:02:51,359
detail on that down the road though

1766
01:02:54,390 --> 01:02:52,720
wouldn't you think well we'll talk a

1767
01:02:54,870 --> 01:02:54,400
little bit more about that i agree um

1768
01:02:57,109 --> 01:02:54,880
there

1769
01:02:58,549 --> 01:02:57,119
are companies who are also i'm sure

1770
01:02:59,910 --> 01:02:58,559
they're out there okay i'm just saying

1771
01:03:02,630 --> 01:02:59,920
off top my head there

1772
01:03:03,430 --> 01:03:02,640
hopefully there are private or public

1773
01:03:06,309 --> 01:03:03,440
companies

1774
01:03:07,190 --> 01:03:06,319
willing to actually spend the money

1775
01:03:10,150 --> 01:03:07,200
which would take an

1776
01:03:10,870 --> 01:03:10,160
awful lot of money like quite a bit to

1777
01:03:13,910 --> 01:03:10,880
actually

1778
01:03:14,630 --> 01:03:13,920
try and uh grab materials off of

1779
01:03:17,029 --> 01:03:14,640
asteroids

1780
01:03:18,789 --> 01:03:17,039
which is a you know for asteroid mining

1781
01:03:21,349 --> 01:03:18,799
sure meteor

1782
01:03:21,910 --> 01:03:21,359
meters is very difficult thing to do and

1783
01:03:28,710 --> 01:03:21,920
uh

1784
01:03:29,990 --> 01:03:28,720
i'm just going to give a fictional

1785
01:03:33,190 --> 01:03:30,000
example here let's just say

1786
01:03:36,630 --> 01:03:33,200
bigelow is building uh some kind

1787
01:03:39,589 --> 01:03:36,640
of a structure that can be placed

1788
01:03:41,510 --> 01:03:39,599
on an asteroid for mining purposes and

1789
01:03:42,549 --> 01:03:41,520
then another company let's just i'm

1790
01:03:45,349 --> 01:03:42,559
making this up

1791
01:03:47,190 --> 01:03:45,359
richard branson's uh uh uh virgin

1792
01:03:48,069 --> 01:03:47,200
galactic virgin galactic which by the

1793
01:03:51,670 --> 01:03:48,079
way the ticker is

1794
01:03:53,990 --> 01:03:51,680
sp ce if you wanted to look that up

1795
01:03:55,589 --> 01:03:54,000
i think it's like under 30 right now

1796
01:03:58,390 --> 01:03:55,599
it's probably 28

1797
01:03:59,190 --> 01:03:58,400
or yeah it's about 28 something uh but

1798
01:04:02,390 --> 01:03:59,200
anyway uh

1799
01:04:04,630 --> 01:04:02,400
moving along let's just say that he

1800
01:04:05,750 --> 01:04:04,640
decided to go ahead and create some kind

1801
01:04:08,230 --> 01:04:05,760
of shuttle

1802
01:04:08,870 --> 01:04:08,240
or uh propulsion related device that

1803
01:04:12,309 --> 01:04:08,880
could actually

1804
01:04:14,309 --> 01:04:12,319
soar into space and somehow

1805
01:04:15,349 --> 01:04:14,319
some sort of a space bound glomar

1806
01:04:19,109 --> 01:04:15,359
explorer

1807
01:04:22,150 --> 01:04:19,119
end up near docked near that meteor

1808
01:04:25,109 --> 01:04:22,160
uh and and actually work in tandem with

1809
01:04:25,990 --> 01:04:25,119
various contractors or companies

1810
01:04:29,349 --> 01:04:26,000
whatever you want to call

1811
01:04:32,630 --> 01:04:29,359
them to somehow collectively gather

1812
01:04:35,829 --> 01:04:32,640
and grab really rare or

1813
01:04:36,789 --> 01:04:35,839
unknown material that we have never seen

1814
01:04:38,710 --> 01:04:36,799
before

1815
01:04:40,710 --> 01:04:38,720
uh so it would just be really

1816
01:04:43,910 --> 01:04:40,720
interesting because uh

1817
01:04:44,630 --> 01:04:43,920
supposedly that kind of industry would

1818
01:04:47,670 --> 01:04:44,640
be worth

1819
01:04:49,510 --> 01:04:47,680
trillions of dollars possibly based on

1820
01:04:52,230 --> 01:04:49,520
the value or the unknown

1821
01:04:53,589 --> 01:04:52,240
they could wrangle comets and asteroids

1822
01:04:55,990 --> 01:04:53,599
the way ttsa

1823
01:04:57,750 --> 01:04:56,000
wrangled the defense contract now i did

1824
01:05:00,549 --> 01:04:57,760
want to bring up something that i find

1825
01:05:01,029 --> 01:05:00,559
fascinating okay thank you for using the

1826
01:05:02,630 --> 01:05:01,039
word brain

1827
01:05:03,910 --> 01:05:02,640
yeah i have to laugh at my own jokes

1828
01:05:05,270 --> 01:05:03,920
because i know you're not listening i

1829
01:05:07,430 --> 01:05:05,280
know you're not paying attention nothing

1830
01:05:08,150 --> 01:05:07,440
goes by me okay i'm just kidding but

1831
01:05:09,829 --> 01:05:08,160
anyway

1832
01:05:11,750 --> 01:05:09,839
uh what i was going to say that i just

1833
01:05:15,430 --> 01:05:11,760
found interesting is wouldn't it be

1834
01:05:18,549 --> 01:05:15,440
neat if a company was able to actually

1835
01:05:21,750 --> 01:05:18,559
accumulate some kind of

1836
01:05:23,270 --> 01:05:21,760
meta material that could be i don't know

1837
01:05:25,349 --> 01:05:23,280
how we would even know but e

1838
01:05:26,789 --> 01:05:25,359
of e.t origin again i don't know how we

1839
01:05:29,829 --> 01:05:26,799
would know that but

1840
01:05:33,109 --> 01:05:29,839
it would be really fascinating if we

1841
01:05:37,349 --> 01:05:33,119
found some material on meteor or meteor

1842
01:05:40,710 --> 01:05:37,359
meteors that would be so anomalous

1843
01:05:43,589 --> 01:05:40,720
that it would just be a

1844
01:05:45,829 --> 01:05:43,599
huge uh inspiration to the scientific

1845
01:05:47,270 --> 01:05:45,839
community to try and find out more about

1846
01:05:49,349 --> 01:05:47,280
you know some kind of interesting

1847
01:05:50,630 --> 01:05:49,359
material that has interesting properties

1848
01:05:53,430 --> 01:05:50,640
to it that would be

1849
01:05:54,950 --> 01:05:53,440
and it would also be equally interesting

1850
01:05:56,870 --> 01:05:54,960
if it could be connected

1851
01:05:59,109 --> 01:05:56,880
to something that was found here on

1852
01:06:00,549 --> 01:05:59,119
earth that appears to be of et origin

1853
01:06:02,870 --> 01:06:00,559
now that would be a big story

1854
01:06:03,670 --> 01:06:02,880
that would be a big story i'm getting

1855
01:06:05,270 --> 01:06:03,680
some echo

1856
01:06:07,109 --> 01:06:05,280
on your speakers that's just me

1857
01:06:09,589 --> 01:06:07,119
fantasizing about all that

1858
01:06:11,270 --> 01:06:09,599
about well i'm echoing i was echoing on

1859
01:06:13,750 --> 01:06:11,280
your speakers

1860
01:06:14,390 --> 01:06:13,760
okay so uh yeah and uh we probably

1861
01:06:16,069 --> 01:06:14,400
should do that

1862
01:06:18,150 --> 01:06:16,079
we should go into a lot more detail

1863
01:06:20,870 --> 01:06:18,160
about investment potential

1864
01:06:22,069 --> 01:06:20,880
uh regarding disclosure and future tech

1865
01:06:23,750 --> 01:06:22,079
and stuff like that that we should

1866
01:06:26,870 --> 01:06:23,760
probably spend some time on that

1867
01:06:28,390 --> 01:06:26,880
and i actually uh ran that idea by

1868
01:06:30,630 --> 01:06:28,400
somebody who thought it was a great idea

1869
01:06:33,109 --> 01:06:30,640
you want to guess who that was

1870
01:06:35,750 --> 01:06:33,119
okay so say that one part again i said i

1871
01:06:37,910 --> 01:06:35,760
actually ran this idea by someone

1872
01:06:39,270 --> 01:06:37,920
who got back to me and said hey that's a

1873
01:06:40,230 --> 01:06:39,280
great idea you want to guess who that

1874
01:06:52,549 --> 01:06:40,240
person was

1875
01:06:56,789 --> 01:06:55,589
yeah okay what did he have to say oh you

1876
01:06:58,230 --> 01:06:56,799
said it was a great idea

1877
01:06:59,910 --> 01:06:58,240
all right uh have we beaten this horse

1878
01:07:01,430 --> 01:06:59,920
to death yet we've gone over 50 minutes

1879
01:07:02,069 --> 01:07:01,440
of it and we still have two segments to

1880
01:07:05,430 --> 01:07:02,079
do

1881
01:07:06,789 --> 01:07:05,440
ahead and mention since we're already

1882
01:07:09,109 --> 01:07:06,799
over our time limit

1883
01:07:10,630 --> 01:07:09,119
limit the the monolith and it's going to

1884
01:07:12,390 --> 01:07:10,640
be very short because there's really not

1885
01:07:16,069 --> 01:07:12,400
much to say now look

1886
01:07:17,990 --> 01:07:16,079
all right yeah go ahead start talking

1887
01:07:20,069 --> 01:07:18,000
i'll get out of my system

1888
01:07:21,829 --> 01:07:20,079
like a few seconds here okay when the

1889
01:07:25,029 --> 01:07:21,839
monolith story came out

1890
01:07:28,069 --> 01:07:25,039
uh i just have to say i knew immediately

1891
01:07:31,029 --> 01:07:28,079
this was found art okay uh it

1892
01:07:31,990 --> 01:07:31,039
it it just to me it smacked of it did i

1893
01:07:34,549 --> 01:07:32,000
have proof of that

1894
01:07:36,309 --> 01:07:34,559
no i'm just going on intuition i it's

1895
01:07:38,150 --> 01:07:36,319
like a gut feeling i had i was like ah

1896
01:07:41,829 --> 01:07:38,160
this is this is found art

1897
01:07:42,549 --> 01:07:41,839
and i grew up uh being surrounded by art

1898
01:07:46,230 --> 01:07:42,559
and uh

1899
01:07:48,230 --> 01:07:46,240
it just it just just just having been

1900
01:07:49,270 --> 01:07:48,240
involved in the art world to the degree

1901
01:07:52,150 --> 01:07:49,280
i was

1902
01:07:54,549 --> 01:07:52,160
i just really felt like wow this this is

1903
01:07:56,870 --> 01:07:54,559
this looks to me to be art related

1904
01:07:58,710 --> 01:07:56,880
and especially after i found out after

1905
01:08:01,190 --> 01:07:58,720
having done research that there were

1906
01:08:02,230 --> 01:08:01,200
uh man-made parts to it that were

1907
01:08:04,710 --> 01:08:02,240
discovered

1908
01:08:05,829 --> 01:08:04,720
and uh it certainly didn't appear to be

1909
01:08:08,950 --> 01:08:05,839
of e.t

1910
01:08:10,789 --> 01:08:08,960
related origin to anybody now uh

1911
01:08:12,549 --> 01:08:10,799
disappeared obviously we all know that

1912
01:08:15,829 --> 01:08:12,559
and then apparently

1913
01:08:17,510 --> 01:08:15,839
there was a group that a day ago uh as

1914
01:08:20,950 --> 01:08:17,520
reported by the new york post

1915
01:08:22,709 --> 01:08:20,960
on december 5th uh that the mystery of

1916
01:08:24,149 --> 01:08:22,719
the monolith had been solved

1917
01:08:25,990 --> 01:08:24,159
i'm just going to read a little bit from

1918
01:08:28,309 --> 01:08:26,000
it that way we can just go ahead and

1919
01:08:29,990 --> 01:08:28,319
get over this topic it says the

1920
01:08:31,590 --> 01:08:30,000
community of artists known as the most

1921
01:08:33,349 --> 01:08:31,600
famous artist posted a photo of the

1922
01:08:34,630 --> 01:08:33,359
monolith on their instagram account

1923
01:08:37,269 --> 01:08:34,640
friday saying only

1924
01:08:38,149 --> 01:08:37,279
monolith a service dot com the photo of

1925
01:08:39,910 --> 01:08:38,159
the three-sided

1926
01:08:42,390 --> 01:08:39,920
metal monolith included specs of the

1927
01:08:44,630 --> 01:08:42,400
artwork noting authentic dimensions and

1928
01:08:46,470 --> 01:08:44,640
museum quality materials and it just

1929
01:08:47,269 --> 01:08:46,480
goes on to explain a little bit further

1930
01:08:49,349 --> 01:08:47,279
about it

1931
01:08:51,189 --> 01:08:49,359
and uh some kind of blockchain

1932
01:08:53,910 --> 01:08:51,199
certification of authenticity sign and

1933
01:08:55,990 --> 01:08:53,920
dated the most famous artist 2020

1934
01:08:57,590 --> 01:08:56,000
and uh i don't know maybe they're

1935
01:08:59,189 --> 01:08:57,600
selling this stuff now because it says

1936
01:08:59,749 --> 01:08:59,199
added delivery would take four to six

1937
01:09:01,510 --> 01:08:59,759
weeks i

1938
01:09:02,870 --> 01:09:01,520
i don't know look does it matter the

1939
01:09:05,910 --> 01:09:02,880
point here is

1940
01:09:07,430 --> 01:09:05,920
a group of artists claims uh that they

1941
01:09:09,590 --> 01:09:07,440
actually are responsible for it

1942
01:09:10,789 --> 01:09:09,600
do we know if that's true not

1943
01:09:14,789 --> 01:09:10,799
necessarily

1944
01:09:17,189 --> 01:09:14,799
however ultimately whether this group

1945
01:09:18,789 --> 01:09:17,199
created the monolith or not

1946
01:09:20,470 --> 01:09:18,799
and they're responsible for all the

1947
01:09:22,390 --> 01:09:20,480
other monoliths that are cropping up

1948
01:09:24,229 --> 01:09:22,400
worldwide

1949
01:09:25,590 --> 01:09:24,239
i just feel like this is not really an

1950
01:09:28,149 --> 01:09:25,600
et related story

1951
01:09:29,829 --> 01:09:28,159
but i don't have any forensic analysis

1952
01:09:32,789 --> 01:09:29,839
tangentially i mean

1953
01:09:33,269 --> 01:09:32,799
nobody i think uh seriously suspects

1954
01:09:37,669 --> 01:09:33,279
that

1955
01:09:40,470 --> 01:09:37,679
this is actually left there by e.t but

1956
01:09:40,950 --> 01:09:40,480
the thing is still pretty damn cool and

1957
01:09:45,590 --> 01:09:40,960
it is

1958
01:09:47,990 --> 01:09:45,600
the greatest films ever made

1959
01:09:51,430 --> 01:09:48,000
i mean you think about it 2001 a space

1960
01:09:53,110 --> 01:09:51,440
odyssey was made over 50 years ago

1961
01:09:54,709 --> 01:09:53,120
somebody plants something like this in

1962
01:09:57,110 --> 01:09:54,719
the middle of nowhere out in the

1963
01:09:58,950 --> 01:09:57,120
rocks in utah somewhere uh out in the

1964
01:10:00,709 --> 01:09:58,960
middle of nowhere very compelling sight

1965
01:10:03,990 --> 01:10:00,719
i mean i've got the picture up now

1966
01:10:04,950 --> 01:10:04,000
and uh it looks fantastic but the only

1967
01:10:07,590 --> 01:10:04,960
reason this got

1968
01:10:09,750 --> 01:10:07,600
so much attention is because of the

1969
01:10:12,870 --> 01:10:09,760
movie 2001 of space odyssey

1970
01:10:15,430 --> 01:10:12,880
which came out in 1968.

1971
01:10:15,990 --> 01:10:15,440
this is not only one of the best uh

1972
01:10:17,590 --> 01:10:16,000
sci-fi

1973
01:10:20,310 --> 01:10:17,600
movies ever made it's one of the best

1974
01:10:24,390 --> 01:10:20,320
movies ever made and this film

1975
01:10:26,070 --> 01:10:24,400
uh still it's such a compelling movie

1976
01:10:28,229 --> 01:10:26,080
that when somebody does something like

1977
01:10:28,790 --> 01:10:28,239
this it immediately gets international

1978
01:10:31,510 --> 01:10:28,800
attention

1979
01:10:32,390 --> 01:10:31,520
the new york times wrote an article

1980
01:10:34,870 --> 01:10:32,400
about

1981
01:10:35,910 --> 01:10:34,880
some guy who they they think possibly

1982
01:10:37,590 --> 01:10:35,920
might have been the guy

1983
01:10:39,030 --> 01:10:37,600
who was responsible for this you saw

1984
01:10:41,590 --> 01:10:39,040
that article

1985
01:10:42,550 --> 01:10:41,600
and uh yeah and also i just wanted to

1986
01:10:43,910 --> 01:10:42,560
try them in here and

1987
01:10:46,390 --> 01:10:43,920
because you know you and i talk every

1988
01:10:47,830 --> 01:10:46,400
day okay i just remember last night we

1989
01:10:49,750 --> 01:10:47,840
were talking about

1990
01:10:51,189 --> 01:10:49,760
this monolith and i asked you did you

1991
01:10:53,189 --> 01:10:51,199
read the uh arthur c

1992
01:10:54,630 --> 01:10:53,199
clarke book and because i i did it's

1993
01:10:57,510 --> 01:10:54,640
very slim book it's really

1994
01:10:59,030 --> 01:10:57,520
a wonderful uh story i was telling you a

1995
01:11:00,229 --> 01:10:59,040
very strange situation that occurred to

1996
01:11:01,590 --> 01:11:00,239
me while i was reading the book

1997
01:11:04,149 --> 01:11:01,600
i have somewhere i'm going with this by

1998
01:11:06,229 --> 01:11:04,159
the way and that is when i was reading

1999
01:11:08,310 --> 01:11:06,239
the book it seemed like time slowed down

2000
01:11:10,070 --> 01:11:08,320
it was the longest story i'd ever read

2001
01:11:12,310 --> 01:11:10,080
to this day it still seems that way even

2002
01:11:15,189 --> 01:11:12,320
though that book is one of the thinnest

2003
01:11:15,830 --> 01:11:15,199
it's like 190 pages yeah it's just a

2004
01:11:18,550 --> 01:11:15,840
tiny

2005
01:11:20,390 --> 01:11:18,560
story but it's just really i got so

2006
01:11:22,950 --> 01:11:20,400
involved in it for some reason it

2007
01:11:24,310 --> 01:11:22,960
it it made a big impact on me then i

2008
01:11:26,070 --> 01:11:24,320
asked you if you had read the story and

2009
01:11:27,590 --> 01:11:26,080
you said that you you spent a couple

2010
01:11:29,430 --> 01:11:27,600
hours last night reading it what were

2011
01:11:31,270 --> 01:11:29,440
your thoughts on that uh

2012
01:11:32,790 --> 01:11:31,280
i like the movie better to be honest

2013
01:11:34,709 --> 01:11:32,800
about it i love the movie

2014
01:11:35,990 --> 01:11:34,719
uh the book is fine and no problems with

2015
01:11:37,510 --> 01:11:36,000
it or anything like that

2016
01:11:39,110 --> 01:11:37,520
but the one thing we were talking about

2017
01:11:40,149 --> 01:11:39,120
before the show and i think it's very

2018
01:11:43,430 --> 01:11:40,159
interesting

2019
01:11:44,229 --> 01:11:43,440
the uh where uh dr floyd is going to the

2020
01:11:46,790 --> 01:11:44,239
moon

2021
01:11:48,149 --> 01:11:46,800
and uh to see what they actually had

2022
01:11:50,149 --> 01:11:48,159
uncovered out

2023
01:11:52,310 --> 01:11:50,159
not far from the clavius moon base they

2024
01:11:53,030 --> 01:11:52,320
had uncovered uh this monolith that

2025
01:11:54,870 --> 01:11:53,040
buried

2026
01:11:56,709 --> 01:11:54,880
underneath the ground and they had found

2027
01:11:58,790 --> 01:11:56,719
it through this uh

2028
01:12:00,390 --> 01:11:58,800
magnetic uh signal that it was giving

2029
01:12:00,790 --> 01:12:00,400
off and they they figured out what it

2030
01:12:02,790 --> 01:12:00,800
was

2031
01:12:03,990 --> 01:12:02,800
uh after digging down in there they

2032
01:12:05,189 --> 01:12:04,000
couldn't figure out what it was but it

2033
01:12:07,510 --> 01:12:05,199
was worth digging for

2034
01:12:09,510 --> 01:12:07,520
and it turned out that it was there but

2035
01:12:13,110 --> 01:12:09,520
they want because obviously

2036
01:12:15,830 --> 01:12:13,120
uh it was an extraterrestrial uh planted

2037
01:12:17,430 --> 01:12:15,840
uh a relic and they wanted to keep that

2038
01:12:18,790 --> 01:12:17,440
to themselves the americans did they

2039
01:12:22,229 --> 01:12:18,800
didn't want the news out

2040
01:12:24,149 --> 01:12:22,239
so they created a cover story

2041
01:12:25,669 --> 01:12:24,159
to keep people away from the clavius

2042
01:12:27,910 --> 01:12:25,679
base and

2043
01:12:28,709 --> 01:12:27,920
it's a very ironic chant what was that

2044
01:12:30,950 --> 01:12:28,719
cover story

2045
01:12:32,709 --> 01:12:30,960
we talked about it earlier today we did

2046
01:12:35,270 --> 01:12:32,719
but i'd like for you to mention it

2047
01:12:36,870 --> 01:12:35,280
okay can you talk about it it was an

2048
01:12:38,709 --> 01:12:36,880
epidemic that's supposedly

2049
01:12:40,950 --> 01:12:38,719
uh kind of ironic with what's going on

2050
01:12:42,709 --> 01:12:40,960
today but it was an epidemic

2051
01:12:45,350 --> 01:12:42,719
and that was the reason why the clavius

2052
01:12:46,790 --> 01:12:45,360
moon base was shut down a cover story a

2053
01:12:48,870 --> 01:12:46,800
complete lie of course

2054
01:12:50,149 --> 01:12:48,880
uh the the real reason being they found

2055
01:12:52,709 --> 01:12:50,159
the monolith but

2056
01:12:53,350 --> 01:12:52,719
uh it's interesting how you know 52 plus

2057
01:12:55,030 --> 01:12:53,360
years ago

2058
01:12:56,550 --> 01:12:55,040
hey that makes a pretty good cover story

2059
01:12:57,189 --> 01:12:56,560
an epidemic i thought that was really

2060
01:13:00,790 --> 01:12:57,199
interesting

2061
01:13:01,110 --> 01:13:00,800
and i've got i've got a poster now uh of

2062
01:13:06,790 --> 01:13:01,120
uh

2063
01:13:07,990 --> 01:13:06,800
and it's it's very interesting that a

2064
01:13:09,910 --> 01:13:08,000
lot of people

2065
01:13:11,750 --> 01:13:09,920
were when it was first released and

2066
01:13:13,590 --> 01:13:11,760
maybe still are don't really like the

2067
01:13:14,950 --> 01:13:13,600
movie don't warm up to it they kind of

2068
01:13:17,910 --> 01:13:14,960
don't get it

2069
01:13:19,669 --> 01:13:17,920
but the the tagline for the movie after

2070
01:13:22,470 --> 01:13:19,679
it had been released for a while

2071
01:13:24,950 --> 01:13:22,480
was the ultimate trip and you got to

2072
01:13:27,030 --> 01:13:24,960
think 1968 what were people doing

2073
01:13:28,149 --> 01:13:27,040
uh they were dropping acid and going and

2074
01:13:32,149 --> 01:13:28,159
seeing this movie

2075
01:13:33,750 --> 01:13:32,159
and whether by design or by accident uh

2076
01:13:35,990 --> 01:13:33,760
you know if you take your head of acid

2077
01:13:37,910 --> 01:13:36,000
when the movie begins uh you should be

2078
01:13:41,030 --> 01:13:37,920
peaking uh right around the time

2079
01:13:42,149 --> 01:13:41,040
of that third act the uh going through

2080
01:13:44,470 --> 01:13:42,159
the stargate so

2081
01:13:45,189 --> 01:13:44,480
we wouldn't know we wouldn't know uh

2082
01:13:47,350 --> 01:13:45,199
well

2083
01:13:49,030 --> 01:13:47,360
i saw the movie for the first time when

2084
01:13:49,590 --> 01:13:49,040
i was eight in the theater so i i didn't

2085
01:13:51,110 --> 01:13:49,600
know that

2086
01:13:52,630 --> 01:13:51,120
but uh i know what they're talking about

2087
01:13:54,390 --> 01:13:52,640
now and in fact uh

2088
01:13:56,709 --> 01:13:54,400
the the film was very popular he did a

2089
01:13:59,270 --> 01:13:56,719
lot of it did did a great business

2090
01:14:00,790 --> 01:13:59,280
and uh it you know people who love it

2091
01:14:02,709 --> 01:14:00,800
love it not everybody does

2092
01:14:04,790 --> 01:14:02,719
uh some people just don't warm up to it

2093
01:14:06,470 --> 01:14:04,800
it's a different kind of movie obviously

2094
01:14:08,310 --> 01:14:06,480
it's a it's a trip movie you just kind

2095
01:14:09,750 --> 01:14:08,320
of just sit back and you look at it

2096
01:14:11,430 --> 01:14:09,760
and you listen to the little bits of

2097
01:14:13,830 --> 01:14:11,440
dialogue there's not a whole lot

2098
01:14:15,110 --> 01:14:13,840
it's mostly a visual experience and

2099
01:14:16,950 --> 01:14:15,120
that's really what it is

2100
01:14:18,470 --> 01:14:16,960
and it is uh for my money one of the

2101
01:14:21,270 --> 01:14:18,480
best movies ever made

2102
01:14:23,110 --> 01:14:21,280
and it is still i i hold this movie in

2103
01:14:25,990 --> 01:14:23,120
higher esteem than movies like

2104
01:14:26,550 --> 01:14:26,000
close encounters or contact it is uh the

2105
01:14:29,590 --> 01:14:26,560
sort of the

2106
01:14:32,470 --> 01:14:29,600
the ultimate uh the ultimate uh

2107
01:14:33,910 --> 01:14:32,480
contact movie and uh the reason being is

2108
01:14:35,830 --> 01:14:33,920
it is ambiguous and

2109
01:14:37,910 --> 01:14:35,840
uh it is weird and it doesn't entirely

2110
01:14:39,350 --> 01:14:37,920
make sense just kind of like what we're

2111
01:14:41,350 --> 01:14:39,360
going through right now is we try to

2112
01:14:44,790 --> 01:14:41,360
follow this ufo thing

2113
01:14:47,910 --> 01:14:44,800
right all well stated i agree

2114
01:14:50,550 --> 01:14:47,920
very good observations so do you have

2115
01:14:52,390 --> 01:14:50,560
anything else on 2001 i just you know

2116
01:14:55,110 --> 01:14:52,400
nobody seriously thought that

2117
01:14:56,709 --> 01:14:55,120
this was any kind of e.t relic but just

2118
01:14:59,510 --> 01:14:56,719
the power of that movie

2119
01:15:01,350 --> 01:14:59,520
uh got that uh that little art

2120
01:15:02,310 --> 01:15:01,360
installation worldwide attention i think

2121
01:15:03,669 --> 01:15:02,320
it's a great thing

2122
01:15:06,310 --> 01:15:03,679
and there's some people who've maybe

2123
01:15:07,990 --> 01:15:06,320
they've never seen 2001 at space odyssey

2124
01:15:09,669 --> 01:15:08,000
give it a look give it a shot you might

2125
01:15:13,030 --> 01:15:09,679
like it you might not but

2126
01:15:15,189 --> 01:15:13,040
give it a try i agree

2127
01:15:16,070 --> 01:15:15,199
um and actually it's funny i'm over here

2128
01:15:18,229 --> 01:15:16,080
saying i agree

2129
01:15:19,270 --> 01:15:18,239
all great points not something i tell

2130
01:15:21,910 --> 01:15:19,280
you all the time

2131
01:15:23,189 --> 01:15:21,920
no i know you usually never tell me that

2132
01:15:24,070 --> 01:15:23,199
but we talked about this one a little

2133
01:15:25,669 --> 01:15:24,080
bit before the show

2134
01:15:28,390 --> 01:15:25,679
so i think that we pretty much were on

2135
01:15:31,750 --> 01:15:28,400
the same and i was actually fascinated

2136
01:15:34,790 --> 01:15:31,760
uh maybe overly so that you were not

2137
01:15:35,350 --> 01:15:34,800
as entranced and entrenched and involved

2138
01:15:38,550 --> 01:15:35,360
in that

2139
01:15:40,390 --> 01:15:38,560
tiny little book as i was i was very

2140
01:15:40,870 --> 01:15:40,400
surprised that it was not as impressive

2141
01:15:45,350 --> 01:15:40,880
to you

2142
01:15:47,350 --> 01:15:45,360
yeah you know i i just got used to the

2143
01:15:49,110 --> 01:15:47,360
uh we we've talked about other books

2144
01:15:50,070 --> 01:15:49,120
that the movies were based on and back

2145
01:15:53,030 --> 01:15:50,080
and forth

2146
01:15:54,070 --> 01:15:53,040
not necessarily ufo related but uh this

2147
01:15:57,270 --> 01:15:54,080
was one that

2148
01:15:58,470 --> 01:15:57,280
yeah i mean it was okay but the for me

2149
01:16:00,630 --> 01:15:58,480
the movie is the thing

2150
01:16:02,550 --> 01:16:00,640
i don't know it's just because it's such

2151
01:16:04,790 --> 01:16:02,560
a visual experience you know and there

2152
01:16:05,990 --> 01:16:04,800
there are no words i i mean the all the

2153
01:16:08,950 --> 01:16:06,000
dial you look at

2154
01:16:10,709 --> 01:16:08,960
the text of that book 192 pages but if

2155
01:16:11,510 --> 01:16:10,719
you've got a script with just the

2156
01:16:13,189 --> 01:16:11,520
dialogue

2157
01:16:15,110 --> 01:16:13,199
might go you probably get you probably

2158
01:16:17,669 --> 01:16:15,120
fit it on five pages

2159
01:16:18,310 --> 01:16:17,679
you know right this is not that much

2160
01:16:20,390 --> 01:16:18,320
it's a

2161
01:16:21,910 --> 01:16:20,400
just a different kind of experience and

2162
01:16:24,229 --> 01:16:21,920
a different kind of movie

2163
01:16:25,590 --> 01:16:24,239
so yeah let's go let's go on get on to

2164
01:16:27,189 --> 01:16:25,600
our last topic okay

2165
01:16:28,950 --> 01:16:27,199
okay because we've been rolling for a

2166
01:16:30,390 --> 01:16:28,960
while here let me uh let me make some

2167
01:16:33,350 --> 01:16:30,400
adjustments

2168
01:16:35,030 --> 01:16:33,360
we have been we have that uh that uh

2169
01:16:35,590 --> 01:16:35,040
that myself stuff took a little bit

2170
01:16:38,950 --> 01:16:35,600
longer

2171
01:16:40,470 --> 01:16:38,960
make some changes here

2172
01:16:42,470 --> 01:16:40,480
oh yeah i mean i still have another

2173
01:16:44,229 --> 01:16:42,480
point to make about it but i'll drop it

2174
01:16:45,510 --> 01:16:44,239
uh well i don't know why don't you make

2175
01:16:47,430 --> 01:16:45,520
the point while i'm changing up some

2176
01:16:49,750 --> 01:16:47,440
visuals okay sure yeah i will

2177
01:16:51,750 --> 01:16:49,760
um so uh what i didn't actually finish

2178
01:16:53,270 --> 01:16:51,760
saying is uh his last sentence regarding

2179
01:16:55,910 --> 01:16:53,280
a certain paragraph i read which was

2180
01:16:59,110 --> 01:16:55,920
related to the linda molten how 35 grand

2181
01:17:01,350 --> 01:16:59,120
topic of materials is he says

2182
01:17:02,790 --> 01:17:01,360
a major science museum would pay

2183
01:17:05,110 --> 01:17:02,800
millions okay

2184
01:17:07,189 --> 01:17:05,120
i'm going to go ahead and take that

2185
01:17:09,990 --> 01:17:07,199
sentence to task

2186
01:17:12,229 --> 01:17:10,000
that claim there cannot be proven i'll

2187
01:17:14,070 --> 01:17:12,239
tell you why

2188
01:17:15,270 --> 01:17:14,080
you would have to call up a science

2189
01:17:17,669 --> 01:17:15,280
museum and ask them

2190
01:17:18,310 --> 01:17:17,679
hey do you have this kind of budget to

2191
01:17:20,709 --> 01:17:18,320
pay for

2192
01:17:21,510 --> 01:17:20,719
a certain kind of thing like meta

2193
01:17:24,630 --> 01:17:21,520
materials

2194
01:17:27,189 --> 01:17:24,640
let me explain something not all museums

2195
01:17:27,990 --> 01:17:27,199
have millions of dollars in their budget

2196
01:17:30,709 --> 01:17:28,000
to spend

2197
01:17:31,669 --> 01:17:30,719
on anything and if you don't believe me

2198
01:17:34,390 --> 01:17:31,679
look it up

2199
01:17:36,550 --> 01:17:34,400
i looked it up uh that's just not

2200
01:17:37,189 --> 01:17:36,560
something that they uh can just like you

2201
01:17:39,189 --> 01:17:37,199
know

2202
01:17:40,550 --> 01:17:39,199
they can throw around money-wise like

2203
01:17:41,430 --> 01:17:40,560
their budget they can't just throw their

2204
01:17:43,189 --> 01:17:41,440
budget around

2205
01:17:44,870 --> 01:17:43,199
if they have millions of dollars it's

2206
01:17:47,430 --> 01:17:44,880
all dedicated to

2207
01:17:49,270 --> 01:17:47,440
very specific things and there's people

2208
01:17:50,470 --> 01:17:49,280
that have to agree to all that regarding

2209
01:17:53,750 --> 01:17:50,480
uh that being

2210
01:17:54,550 --> 01:17:53,760
decisions on what to uh to accumulate or

2211
01:17:57,030 --> 01:17:54,560
buy

2212
01:17:58,149 --> 01:17:57,040
and and even then it's a huge

2213
01:18:00,790 --> 01:17:58,159
bureaucratic process

2214
01:18:02,149 --> 01:18:00,800
okay so i mean the simple is the simpler

2215
01:18:03,910 --> 01:18:02,159
process there's a very wealthy

2216
01:18:07,350 --> 01:18:03,920
individual purchasing and then

2217
01:18:09,669 --> 01:18:07,360
sure that's absolutely true they can

2218
01:18:11,590 --> 01:18:09,679
turn to patrons wealthy patrons

2219
01:18:12,950 --> 01:18:11,600
and ask them hey you know we we do have

2220
01:18:14,870 --> 01:18:12,960
a budget but we'd rather

2221
01:18:16,870 --> 01:18:14,880
it spend it on something else we've

2222
01:18:19,750 --> 01:18:16,880
dedicated our our hearts

2223
01:18:20,390 --> 01:18:19,760
to and uh we want to spend money on this

2224
01:18:21,910 --> 01:18:20,400
other item

2225
01:18:23,510 --> 01:18:21,920
would you be willing to pitch in and buy

2226
01:18:26,870 --> 01:18:23,520
this that that happens

2227
01:18:28,390 --> 01:18:26,880
all of the time um so uh again that

2228
01:18:29,189 --> 01:18:28,400
stuff you can look up it's it's

2229
01:18:31,510 --> 01:18:29,199
verifiable

2230
01:18:32,550 --> 01:18:31,520
now to say a major science museum would

2231
01:18:34,950 --> 01:18:32,560
pay millions

2232
01:18:36,550 --> 01:18:34,960
to say something like that without

2233
01:18:39,430 --> 01:18:36,560
having any verification

2234
01:18:41,030 --> 01:18:39,440
of it tells me that he's basically

2235
01:18:44,790 --> 01:18:41,040
saying stuff

2236
01:18:47,430 --> 01:18:44,800
to uh back up more innuendos

2237
01:18:48,149 --> 01:18:47,440
that cannot be proven i just really feel

2238
01:18:50,870 --> 01:18:48,159
like

2239
01:18:52,709 --> 01:18:50,880
what he's doing here in in this regard

2240
01:18:54,390 --> 01:18:52,719
regarding this particular paragraph i'm

2241
01:18:58,149 --> 01:18:54,400
bringing up of his article

2242
01:19:01,350 --> 01:18:58,159
is it's like he's trying to really have

2243
01:19:04,709 --> 01:19:01,360
a very negative light cast upon

2244
01:19:07,270 --> 01:19:04,719
that topic without facts to back it

2245
01:19:07,990 --> 01:19:07,280
up and i've already stated what i said

2246
01:19:09,669 --> 01:19:08,000
uh

2247
01:19:10,950 --> 01:19:09,679
how i feel about the linna molten howe

2248
01:19:12,870 --> 01:19:10,960
aspect i just think that's very

2249
01:19:14,709 --> 01:19:12,880
unfortunate at her expense

2250
01:19:16,709 --> 01:19:14,719
it's just it's not it's just not a fair

2251
01:19:18,310 --> 01:19:16,719
thing to do to her there you go and now

2252
01:19:19,990 --> 01:19:18,320
you know a museum would be a lot more

2253
01:19:21,030 --> 01:19:20,000
likely to spend a lot more money than

2254
01:19:25,430 --> 01:19:21,040
that on

2255
01:19:27,990 --> 01:19:25,440
the work of sai twombly you know

2256
01:19:29,990 --> 01:19:28,000
i won't go into it okay but i probably

2257
01:19:32,630 --> 01:19:30,000
shouldn't have even said that as a joke

2258
01:19:33,030 --> 01:19:32,640
yeah because because because i know that

2259
01:19:37,270 --> 01:19:33,040
you're

2260
01:19:39,189 --> 01:19:37,280
to houston to go see

2261
01:19:40,390 --> 01:19:39,199
uh to the mental museum to go see their

2262
01:19:40,950 --> 01:19:40,400
exhibit that they had some kind of

2263
01:19:42,950 --> 01:19:40,960
permanent

2264
01:19:44,870 --> 01:19:42,960
exhibit there with too many artists to

2265
01:19:47,910 --> 01:19:44,880
mention here okay there's a minimalist

2266
01:19:49,430 --> 01:19:47,920
exhibition and right next to size work

2267
01:19:51,030 --> 01:19:49,440
is minimal that's for sure

2268
01:19:52,470 --> 01:19:51,040
right and right next to it like

2269
01:19:53,990 --> 01:19:52,480
literally within walking distance was

2270
01:19:55,590 --> 01:19:54,000
the scythwombly uh

2271
01:19:57,270 --> 01:19:55,600
museum or whatever you want to call it

2272
01:19:59,510 --> 01:19:57,280
okay it was a a

2273
01:20:01,189 --> 01:19:59,520
lot of installations of his artwork in

2274
01:20:02,470 --> 01:20:01,199
there and uh

2275
01:20:04,390 --> 01:20:02,480
you just walk around looking at

2276
01:20:06,470 --> 01:20:04,400
chalkboards and these very strange

2277
01:20:07,990 --> 01:20:06,480
organic looking objects in the middle of

2278
01:20:08,790 --> 01:20:08,000
the hallways and stuff while you're

2279
01:20:11,590 --> 01:20:08,800
walking

2280
01:20:11,910 --> 01:20:11,600
all of his it was all his stuff and look

2281
01:20:29,430 --> 01:20:11,920
i

2282
01:20:31,669 --> 01:20:29,440
was about say mark rothko's

2283
01:20:33,430 --> 01:20:31,679
minimalist artwork that really even

2284
01:20:34,229 --> 01:20:33,440
though a lot of people might look at his

2285
01:20:36,709 --> 01:20:34,239
artwork and go

2286
01:20:37,830 --> 01:20:36,719
i'm just looking at a canvas that's

2287
01:20:39,350 --> 01:20:37,840
painted black

2288
01:20:40,950 --> 01:20:39,360
what is that supposed to mean it doesn't

2289
01:20:43,990 --> 01:20:40,960
mean anything to me but

2290
01:20:45,669 --> 01:20:44,000
for some people they do like rothko's

2291
01:20:47,830 --> 01:20:45,679
work say as opposed to

2292
01:20:49,669 --> 01:20:47,840
sai tumbles which is a lot of chicken

2293
01:20:50,390 --> 01:20:49,679
scratches on chalkboard basically yeah

2294
01:20:54,709 --> 01:20:50,400
it's crap

2295
01:20:56,550 --> 01:20:54,719
a it's a scam

2296
01:20:59,030 --> 01:20:56,560
it's a scam a lot of contemporary arts

2297
01:21:01,910 --> 01:20:59,040
it's a scam

2298
01:21:02,229 --> 01:21:01,920
there i said it did you yeah i just said

2299
01:21:04,629 --> 01:21:02,239
it

2300
01:21:06,790 --> 01:21:04,639
a lot of contemporary art is just a scam

2301
01:21:08,790 --> 01:21:06,800
i can't physically kick you in the shin

2302
01:21:09,990 --> 01:21:08,800
right now over that so i'll just have to

2303
01:21:13,110 --> 01:21:10,000
accept you said that

2304
01:21:15,430 --> 01:21:13,120
okay yeah you can criticize me for it

2305
01:21:16,709 --> 01:21:15,440
yeah well i'd rather click you in this

2306
01:21:18,709 --> 01:21:16,719
channel

2307
01:21:20,709 --> 01:21:18,719
okay now let's get to our last thing

2308
01:21:23,510 --> 01:21:20,719
here let's get to our last thing

2309
01:21:24,229 --> 01:21:23,520
and that is uh former president obama

2310
01:21:26,950 --> 01:21:24,239
was

2311
01:21:27,990 --> 01:21:26,960
uh interviewed by stephen colbert uh

2312
01:21:30,310 --> 01:21:28,000
this past week

2313
01:21:31,030 --> 01:21:30,320
and of course colbert did decide to go

2314
01:21:33,110 --> 01:21:31,040
ahead

2315
01:21:34,229 --> 01:21:33,120
and ask the ufo question you're not

2316
01:21:36,229 --> 01:21:34,239
going to be able to hear this

2317
01:21:38,310 --> 01:21:36,239
but i'm sure you've heard it already

2318
01:21:40,830 --> 01:21:38,320
it's a very short segment so i'm just

2319
01:21:47,189 --> 01:21:40,840
going to play that audio hang on a sec

2320
01:21:50,790 --> 01:21:50,070
prying information out of the bowels of

2321
01:21:53,669 --> 01:21:50,800
an agency

2322
01:21:55,030 --> 01:21:53,679
uh can can be challenging ufos any ufos

2323
01:21:57,430 --> 01:21:55,040
did you ask about that

2324
01:21:59,189 --> 01:21:57,440
certainly asked about it and i can't

2325
01:22:01,510 --> 01:21:59,199
tell you

2326
01:22:02,629 --> 01:22:01,520
sorry okay all right i'll take that as a

2327
01:22:03,750 --> 01:22:02,639
yes

2328
01:22:05,830 --> 01:22:03,760
because if there were nothing i'd say

2329
01:22:06,709 --> 01:22:05,840
there was none right you just played

2330
01:22:08,149 --> 01:22:06,719
your hand

2331
01:22:10,470 --> 01:22:08,159
i thought you were a poker player you

2332
01:22:14,790 --> 01:22:10,480
just 100 percent showed your river card

2333
01:22:18,709 --> 01:22:16,550
that's so much dirt that makes me happy

2334
01:22:19,590 --> 01:22:18,719
to thank you tell me about can i say it

2335
01:22:22,709 --> 01:22:19,600
used to be

2336
01:22:24,550 --> 01:22:22,719
that ufos was the uh and uh what is it

2337
01:22:27,110 --> 01:22:24,560
roswell was the biggest conspiracy

2338
01:22:28,790 --> 01:22:27,120
yeah and now that seems so tame right

2339
01:22:30,550 --> 01:22:28,800
right the idea that right

2340
01:22:32,870 --> 01:22:30,560
the government might have an alien

2341
01:22:36,229 --> 01:22:32,880
spaceship that's now the biggest

2342
01:22:38,470 --> 01:22:36,239
conspiracy is people in michigan vote

2343
01:22:40,790 --> 01:22:38,480
okay so there's that basically colbert

2344
01:22:41,590 --> 01:22:40,800
asked him about ufos he said he did ask

2345
01:22:43,430 --> 01:22:41,600
about them

2346
01:22:44,790 --> 01:22:43,440
and that he can't reveal uh what he

2347
01:22:46,629 --> 01:22:44,800
found out so uh

2348
01:22:48,470 --> 01:22:46,639
that's basically it it is interesting

2349
01:22:48,950 --> 01:22:48,480
that four years removed from office he's

2350
01:22:51,830 --> 01:22:48,960
staying

2351
01:22:52,870 --> 01:22:51,840
awfully close-lipped about it whereas uh

2352
01:22:54,550 --> 01:22:52,880
current president

2353
01:22:56,870 --> 01:22:54,560
donald trump has been asked a number of

2354
01:22:59,110 --> 01:22:56,880
times and he said things like

2355
01:23:00,550 --> 01:22:59,120
uh well uh you know he should be more

2356
01:23:03,030 --> 01:23:00,560
transparent maybe i'll

2357
01:23:04,790 --> 01:23:03,040
uh declassify some things he's gone uh

2358
01:23:06,950 --> 01:23:04,800
further than obama did there

2359
01:23:07,830 --> 01:23:06,960
uh kind of interesting not too much to

2360
01:23:10,390 --> 01:23:07,840
say about it

2361
01:23:10,950 --> 01:23:10,400
except obviously things are a bit messy

2362
01:23:13,189 --> 01:23:10,960
now

2363
01:23:13,990 --> 01:23:13,199
it looked like we had a smooth sailing

2364
01:23:17,430 --> 01:23:14,000
to a

2365
01:23:19,830 --> 01:23:17,440
a public uh uh uap

2366
01:23:21,750 --> 01:23:19,840
task force report coming out within a

2367
01:23:24,070 --> 01:23:21,760
reasonable time frame and it looks like

2368
01:23:25,510 --> 01:23:24,080
that has all gone kablooey uh frankly

2369
01:23:28,229 --> 01:23:25,520
i'd like to uh

2370
01:23:29,430 --> 01:23:28,239
going into uh what all has uh gone wrong

2371
01:23:32,149 --> 01:23:29,440
with all that uh

2372
01:23:34,310 --> 01:23:32,159
uh i'll table that to another time

2373
01:23:35,590 --> 01:23:34,320
because uh we certainly uh covered a lot

2374
01:23:38,070 --> 01:23:35,600
of ground here when a good

2375
01:23:39,830 --> 01:23:38,080
hour and 20 minutes on everything so uh

2376
01:23:41,590 --> 01:23:39,840
yeah if you've got anything else

2377
01:23:43,510 --> 01:23:41,600
uh i'd like to wrap up but if you got

2378
01:23:46,149 --> 01:23:43,520
anything what do you got

2379
01:23:47,830 --> 01:23:46,159
okay thank you i am going to have an end

2380
01:23:49,110 --> 01:23:47,840
of the year show on the chant hannah

2381
01:23:50,629 --> 01:23:49,120
show and i just want to explain

2382
01:23:52,149 --> 01:23:50,639
something to listeners because sometimes

2383
01:23:54,229 --> 01:23:52,159
i get asked this question

2384
01:23:55,590 --> 01:23:54,239
and i can understand why uh people are

2385
01:23:55,990 --> 01:23:55,600
like i don't understand you have your

2386
01:24:00,070 --> 01:23:56,000
show

2387
01:24:03,590 --> 01:24:00,080
i let me explain that

2388
01:24:04,790 --> 01:24:03,600
yes i do have my own show i do have my

2389
01:24:08,070 --> 01:24:04,800
own channel

2390
01:24:09,590 --> 01:24:08,080
however um i have not opened up my

2391
01:24:12,310 --> 01:24:09,600
channel yet although i do

2392
01:24:14,629 --> 01:24:12,320
have my interviews i have done i have

2393
01:24:18,070 --> 01:24:14,639
not uploaded all of them to that channel

2394
01:24:20,149 --> 01:24:18,080
yet which i will um and i do have the

2395
01:24:22,229 --> 01:24:20,159
the technical capability of being able

2396
01:24:23,270 --> 01:24:22,239
to do my own show now i do want to

2397
01:24:26,310 --> 01:24:23,280
explain everybody

2398
01:24:28,550 --> 01:24:26,320
look frank stalter is

2399
01:24:29,510 --> 01:24:28,560
he's like one of my best friends of of

2400
01:24:32,870 --> 01:24:29,520
all time okay

2401
01:24:33,510 --> 01:24:32,880
we're very close and i thoroughly enjoy

2402
01:24:36,709 --> 01:24:33,520
doing

2403
01:24:39,030 --> 01:24:36,719
youfun the ufo news network sunday show

2404
01:24:39,990 --> 01:24:39,040
it's just really important to me to to

2405
01:24:42,790 --> 01:24:40,000
do that

2406
01:24:43,990 --> 01:24:42,800
so i do two shows i actually have been

2407
01:24:46,070 --> 01:24:44,000
very busy doing my own

2408
01:24:47,350 --> 01:24:46,080
interviews although i have not uploaded

2409
01:24:50,950 --> 01:24:47,360
them to my channel

2410
01:24:53,910 --> 01:24:50,960
i will but i do yes i do have my own

2411
01:24:55,110 --> 01:24:53,920
chant hannah show and i will be doing an

2412
01:24:58,070 --> 01:24:55,120
end of the year

2413
01:24:59,510 --> 01:24:58,080
show with quite a few guests that are

2414
01:25:01,910 --> 01:24:59,520
known worldwide

2415
01:25:02,709 --> 01:25:01,920
and folks that frank and i have

2416
01:25:05,669 --> 01:25:02,719
interviewed

2417
01:25:07,030 --> 01:25:05,679
multiple times and that will be on

2418
01:25:10,070 --> 01:25:07,040
december 13th

2419
01:25:13,990 --> 01:25:10,080
at 4 p.m pacific time

2420
01:25:15,750 --> 01:25:14,000
and uh uh so basically i just wanted to

2421
01:25:17,669 --> 01:25:15,760
let everybody know about that

2422
01:25:19,830 --> 01:25:17,679
and uh also i just want to thank

2423
01:25:21,590 --> 01:25:19,840
everybody for listening to ufond the ufo

2424
01:25:23,910 --> 01:25:21,600
news network sunday because frank has

2425
01:25:26,629 --> 01:25:23,920
worked very very hard on his channel

2426
01:25:27,430 --> 01:25:26,639
and he has gotten some a really amazing

2427
01:25:29,110 --> 01:25:27,440
guest

2428
01:25:30,550 --> 01:25:29,120
and it's just a privilege to be able to

2429
01:25:32,229 --> 01:25:30,560
be on this show with him

2430
01:25:34,629 --> 01:25:32,239
so i'm very thrilled to be here as his

2431
01:25:36,470 --> 01:25:34,639
co-host so thanks thanks and this was a

2432
01:25:37,110 --> 01:25:36,480
fun show to do we got to kind of hang

2433
01:25:40,149 --> 01:25:37,120
out

2434
01:25:42,629 --> 01:25:40,159
news and

2435
01:25:43,270 --> 01:25:42,639
we certainly felt plenty of time though

2436
01:25:45,430 --> 01:25:43,280
there was no

2437
01:25:47,350 --> 01:25:45,440
shortage there sometimes uh when i would

2438
01:25:48,550 --> 01:25:47,360
do these shows on my own maybe it would

2439
01:25:51,430 --> 01:25:48,560
be a half hour

2440
01:25:52,870 --> 01:25:51,440
40 minutes maybe but we went a good long

2441
01:25:54,470 --> 01:25:52,880
time because we talked about a lot of

2442
01:25:56,229 --> 01:25:54,480
different things and

2443
01:25:58,790 --> 01:25:56,239
uh the news really dropped this week

2444
01:26:02,390 --> 01:25:58,800
we'll do these when the news warrants it

2445
01:26:04,149 --> 01:26:02,400
and plug in some uh you know more

2446
01:26:05,910 --> 01:26:04,159
feature related interviews uh

2447
01:26:07,430 --> 01:26:05,920
uh one of the things are a little slower

2448
01:26:10,950 --> 01:26:07,440
when they come up so

2449
01:26:14,229 --> 01:26:10,960
yeah i mean we've got a a platform built

2450
01:26:16,870 --> 01:26:14,239
i've got mine chant has hers and we

2451
01:26:18,229 --> 01:26:16,880
are always kicking around ideas and

2452
01:26:20,390 --> 01:26:18,239
possibilities and

2453
01:26:22,470 --> 01:26:20,400
things to do potentially and a lot of

2454
01:26:24,709 --> 01:26:22,480
times we get those things done

2455
01:26:26,790 --> 01:26:24,719
and uh it's been it's been a great

2456
01:26:28,709 --> 01:26:26,800
experience i'm coming up on uh

2457
01:26:30,310 --> 01:26:28,719
this spring it'll be three years since i

2458
01:26:32,390 --> 01:26:30,320
started doing this thing it doesn't seem

2459
01:26:35,669 --> 01:26:32,400
like it time has really flown along

2460
01:26:36,149 --> 01:26:35,679
and uh two years since you started doing

2461
01:26:38,310 --> 01:26:36,159
it

2462
01:26:39,189 --> 01:26:38,320
yeah and you have created an amazing

2463
01:26:41,430 --> 01:26:39,199
channel and

2464
01:26:43,430 --> 01:26:41,440
i really recommend okay everybody do

2465
01:26:45,350 --> 01:26:43,440
this please when you go on frank's

2466
01:26:46,390 --> 01:26:45,360
channel you found the ufo news network

2467
01:26:49,030 --> 01:26:46,400
sunday

2468
01:26:50,310 --> 01:26:49,040
scroll down just scroll down oh yeah you

2469
01:26:52,870 --> 01:26:50,320
got to click on the videos

2470
01:26:55,270 --> 01:26:52,880
the video's done yeah just scroll down

2471
01:26:57,910 --> 01:26:55,280
at the very beginning of the beginning

2472
01:26:59,030 --> 01:26:57,920
of the the inception of the show and

2473
01:27:01,750 --> 01:26:59,040
when frank started

2474
01:27:03,669 --> 01:27:01,760
actually finding all these amazing

2475
01:27:05,430 --> 01:27:03,679
people to interview if you just scroll

2476
01:27:06,470 --> 01:27:05,440
all the way down it only takes a tenth

2477
01:27:10,229 --> 01:27:06,480
of a second

2478
01:27:11,189 --> 01:27:10,239
you will see just uh some amazing guests

2479
01:27:13,030 --> 01:27:11,199
and i would

2480
01:27:14,390 --> 01:27:13,040
you know since we have all this time due

2481
01:27:16,229 --> 01:27:14,400
to the pandemic

2482
01:27:17,510 --> 01:27:16,239
listen to the shows yeah play them in

2483
01:27:20,709 --> 01:27:17,520
the background while you're

2484
01:27:22,709 --> 01:27:20,719
uh doing your exercises you know yeah

2485
01:27:24,709 --> 01:27:22,719
so there's that all right so uh yeah

2486
01:27:26,550 --> 01:27:24,719
let's uh let's get this over with i've

2487
01:27:29,350 --> 01:27:26,560
got some post-production work to do

2488
01:27:31,189 --> 01:27:29,360
and uh this show will probably be up uh

2489
01:27:32,390 --> 01:27:31,199
well in a couple hours but that doesn't

2490
01:27:33,750 --> 01:27:32,400
people won't be able to listen to it

2491
01:27:35,110 --> 01:27:33,760
until it's already up so that doesn't

2492
01:27:37,910 --> 01:27:35,120
mean anything to you folks

2493
01:27:39,669 --> 01:27:37,920
but uh yeah and also uh for me

2494
01:27:41,189 --> 01:27:39,679
personally uh within the next couple

2495
01:27:41,590 --> 01:27:41,199
weeks it's going to be holiday break

2496
01:27:43,669 --> 01:27:41,600
time

2497
01:27:45,750 --> 01:27:43,679
so i expect that we'll be able to do a

2498
01:27:47,110 --> 01:27:45,760
little bit more would like to

2499
01:27:49,510 --> 01:27:47,120
i would like to do an end of the year

2500
01:27:50,390 --> 01:27:49,520
show with you yep yep yep we'll be able

2501
01:27:52,470 --> 01:27:50,400
to get that done

2502
01:27:54,070 --> 01:27:52,480
okay so uh yeah have a great week

2503
01:27:56,790 --> 01:27:54,080
everybody as we get closer and

2504
01:27:57,110 --> 01:27:56,800
getting this uh crappy 2020 behind us

2505
01:27:58,950 --> 01:27:57,120
and

2506
01:28:00,629 --> 01:27:58,960
hopefully a much better year next year

2507
01:28:01,830 --> 01:28:00,639
so you have a great week everybody